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The roadgoing Camaro's dimensions are actually BIGGER than the Supercars specifications. The Camaro would in all likelihood retain it's dimensions very well when scaled down to fit the Supercars chassis. Probably still wouldn't work PERFECTLY, but a lot better than the Mustang. |
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Mustang: (mm) Length 4784 Width 1916 Height 1394 Wheelbase: ?? Supra (mm, converted from inches) Length 4378.96 Width 1854.2 Height 1290.32 Wheelbase 2468.88 So the Supra road car is 40mm shorter, 62mm narrower, and not as high by 100mm than the Mustang. There is potential for a Supracar to look entirely ridiculous in every aspect aside from a render. |
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Length 4949 Width 1868 Height 1494 Wheelbase: 2838 So the Mustang has likely been raised by 100mm, squashed in width by 50mm, and stretched in wheelbase by about 100mm potentially (depending on what the wheelbase of a COTF is). No wonder it looks so strange!! PS. What is the wheelbase of a COTF? I cannot find any mention of the wheelbase in V8 Supercar technical rules https://d3spxwpngnho1k.cloudfront.ne...ved-200218.pdf -> it only refers you to the relevant "VSD" (vehicle specification document?) |
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According to the Google machine a 6th gen Camaro is 1350mm high. 50mm lower than the Mustang. Would that not mean its roofline will suffer the same fate, only 50mm worse? Quote:
Isn't it the same as a BF Falcon? A carryover legacy when the VE was released and had to match the BF's wheelbase under the Blueprint rules. The FG then had to be chopped to match the chopped VE, upon its release. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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Height Supercar: 1220 Camaro: 1350 Mustang: 1381 Overall length Supercar: 4890 Camaro: 4780 Mustang: 4784 Width Supercar: 1880 Camaro: 1900 Mustang: 1916 Wheelbase Supercar: 2820 Camaro: 2810 Mustang: 2720 (when recalling this information during my earlier post I got a few numbers reversed in my head; As you can see not ALL of the Camaro's measurements exceed the Supercar) You'll notice that in most measurements, the Camaro is either larger than the Supercar or much closer than the Mustang was. Relative to the Mustang, the crucial detail is width, where the Camaro is narrower - it would be slimmed down by almost half the amount of the Mustang, which would have a major effect on how tall it looks. (source for my Supercars measurements: https://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...5d7-1542260650 It's a weird source, yes, but I cannot find ANYWHERE else that gives the exact dimensions - not even on the Supercars website) Now, there IS a problem when comparing height here: These sorts of measurements are usually measured from the roof to the GROUND, and a Supercar obviously sits lower than a roadgoing Camaro and Mustang. What we really need is a reliable measurement from the roof to the bottom of the bodywork. |
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Keep in mind that the Supercar is based on the 2018 Mustang, which has a lower nose than the more familiar 2015-2017 model that people may be comparing it to. See here: https://www.carscoops.com/2017/01/20...ng-poll-photo/ Having seen the car at the Phillip Island test (albeit from a distance), I think most will think the car looks better in the flesh and will not notice the differences that much. The camouflage livery hiding the body lines does not help. I remember the outcry when the first leaked photos of the production 2018 Mustang surfaced. The car looked pretty plain and very ordinary, but it turned out to be just an unfortunate capture from a poor quality video. I think in a few months time most of this fuss will similarly die down. |
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I have no doubt it will look a lot better once those ungodly huge rear wing endplates are replaced with the proper ones. It's amazing just how much of the look can be influenced by such things - look at a DTM car from the side, then photoshop out the rear wing - The top of the car will suddenly look like it dropped 4-5 inches. That really high wing skews the look at the bodywork lines, and I'm sure that's a big part of what's at work here.
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That front end actually looks more like the road car than the Supercar.
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What does McNamara care - Holden no longer employ him.
Unless they pay him for posting on social media, or provide him with a loan car or something? |
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Seems a little short-sighted for him to not keep his options open; should he wish to rejoin the sport, and put that irreplaceable inside knowledge back into productive use.
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Did hear discussion from someone in the know of those end plates functioning like rudders an providing stability in corners, all of which escapes the aero homologation.
Kinda interested to understand the methodology in this and what changes ensure future homologation is solid. Sent from my SM-G975F using Tapatalk |
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Well I guess that isn't a surprise given all the chat about this within the sport.
I reckon that it's probably about 15 years since such a parity change to aero has been made during the season (that was a reduction in the commodore front undertray). Prior to COTF, there was a process within the supercar rules / vehicle recognition process to assess parity across the two makes racing at the time - it used data from the timing system across all races and going deep into the field (not just the front runners). When COTF came in, that process was dumped in the belief that the new regulations would provide technical parity without the need for adjustments outside of the testing / approval process. From the sound of this statement, it seems that supercars has gone back to a process similar to that pre-COTF arrangement. Not surprised, to me it seemed foolhardy to go away from the process in the first place as it provides an effective "safety net". Whilst not perfect (nothing is) the category has always been a technical parity based competition and having some kind of ongoing data to assess so that tech parity can be monitored as best as possible makes sense - what doesn't make sense was to go away from such measurement but good to see that something similar seems to be underway again. |
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Ford designed the Mustang within the rules. Now they have to pay again to have the changed.
Why should they have to pay to redo it when they did it perfectly the first time? Shouldn’t Holden and Nissan have to submit new aero changes? |
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For example, when holden had the front under tray trimmed back in the day, it was done that way as there simply wasn't space under the front of the ford of the time to increase the size of the ford's undertray. For all we know, could be something similar at play in this case too. |
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