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Old 29 Jan 2019, 14:59 (Ref:3880434)   #1326
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I agree it should be moved up by a week to be closer with NASCAR speedweeks. Doubt any of us cares much about american football. I don't see the conflict myself. Having it a week later gives us a few more minutes of daylight racing too.
It's not the matter of fans not caring, although I'd posit many of the at the track fans would not be there Super Bowl weekend, it's the upper management guys with the big fat checks won't be there. If you think anyone from GM would be at the Rolex over the Super Bowl you're crazy. They spend a decent amount racing, they spend a TON more getting their cars in the NFL ads, last estimate was 5 million for a 30 second ad so I'm guessing more spent just next Sunday than the entire GM racing program. The Super Bowl week has hundreds of business meetings and mini conferences all week and is a time to wine and dine business contacts.

Plus, watch NBCSN's schedule this week and weekend. They aren't showing the game but I'll bet most of the days are football preview and talk related. The years they get the actual game? Sorry, the Rolex24 is NOT getting on TV that Sunday at all
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Old 29 Jan 2019, 15:47 (Ref:3880447)   #1327
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I agree it should be moved up by a week to be closer with NASCAR speedweeks. Doubt any of us cares much about american football. I don't see the conflict myself. Having it a week later gives us a few more minutes of daylight racing too.
Well, you're wrong.

And a grand total of 7 more minutes of daylight makes that big of a difference? Nah.

What's likely more debatable is the turnaround time to NASCAR speedweeks. They open for camping 11 days after the finish of the 24 (this year on Feb 7). I'm sure the employees at the world center of speed appreciate not having a mere 3 day to turnaround between the events. I don't know much about the prep work though.

And I still don't understand WTF big deal of week to another. More eyes are on the sport with Fernando and NOT big up against Super Bowl weekend. These are helpful facts that we should all be okay with.
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Old 29 Jan 2019, 16:51 (Ref:3880460)   #1328
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'Don't wanna sound like I "know more than anyone" and 'not "living in the past", just some info, but the 24 was always the opening race (major, not inclusive of practice and undercard races Thurs. and Fri.) that started Speedweeks (2 of 'em...weeks that is...) from '75 when I started attending 'til mid-2000s when they changed it to 3 weekends before the 500. Because of Superbowl?....'have no clue.

(edit: oh goodness me. I am fallible.........my own curiosity got me fact checking and I see that sometimes it's two and four weekends ahead of the 500 now also.)

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DSC has an article about how IMSA made the decision to end the race early.

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...eavy-rain.html

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Was Raffauf saying that the Michelins caused more spray than the Conti's? I find it hard to believe the brand of tire made that much difference. There is spray because there is water, or am i missing something?
I think the point he was trying to make is that they were pushing more water which leads to more spray and lower visibility.
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Old 29 Jan 2019, 20:35 (Ref:3880509)   #1330
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Grasser, Land, and WRT all took the full time IMSA GTD teams to school on how to run GT3 endurance races. I don't think BoP was the best for the Lamborghini and Audi too.
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Grasser, Land, and WRT all took the full time IMSA GTD teams to school on how to run GT3 endurance races. I don't think BoP was the best for the Lamborghini and Audi too.
How exactly was that? Other than the wave arounds that let Grasser make up 2 penalties? Not exactly GT3 endurance rules for the other series if I recall
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There are multiple studies to show nothing gets done after about 3 on "Super Sunday."
Luckily the race ends at 2:30

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I despise the current nascar product as much as the next, but statements like this don't really boost any arguements for or against drainage improvement or make you seem classier because you hate nascar.
I think you're seeing what you want to on this one. Would you prefer the example of Texas Motor Speedway renovating the entire track after they had to postpone an IndyCar race months because it took literal days for the track to completely dry? I can't think of a situation where oval racing and road racing would have contradictory desires on this. Homestead does flood terribly too though.

You just have to think there's some sort of option besides a 24h race with what seems like about a 50/50 chance of 6 hours of red flag every year, but I guess if it isn't affecting the gate it doesn't matter.
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This matters not and some will never understand, which I totally respect. Seriously.


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I think you're seeing what you want to on this one. Would you prefer the example of Texas Motor Speedway renovating the entire track after they had to postpone an IndyCar race months because it took literal days for the track to completely dry? I can't think of a situation where oval racing and road racing would have contradictory desires on this. Homestead does flood terribly too though.
Are you telling me french drains, the likes of which were installed at Texas might work? Maybe so. Those drains have to drain somehere which is the bigger issue.

And I never mentioned a distinction between speedway series and road racing series. Track drainage is track drainage so I pointed out there's no need to disparage another user of a facility to make some other point.

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50/50? When was the last red flag? 2004? Hardly 50/50 chance but it is Florida. I don't think you're escaping weather threats not matter what week you choose.
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I'd challenge you to come here and find anything functioning as usual on Super Bowl Sunday. Hell they don't want us working for the city Thursday or Friday even, it is that big a deal and yes, the overlap is MUCH larger than you want to admit. Most years they exclude the NFL games from the ratings for TV, otherwise the top 50 plus events are NFL games and no one looks good. You can debate all you'd like it's not an event, but sorry it is and the facts show you're either delusional, argumentative or just flat obnoxious but either way you'd find the egg coating your face.
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When was the last red flag? 2004?
2014 for the Gidley crash, last weather stoppage was 2007. My brain doesn't really differentiate actual red flags from 3 hour safety car periods though. '11 and '13 had massively long fog FCYs and '16 had tons for rain, at least, so that's at least 4 years with large weather interruptions in the last 9.

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I'd challenge you to come here and find anything functioning as usual on Super Bowl Sunday. Hell they don't want us working for the city Thursday or Friday even, it is that big a deal and yes, the overlap is MUCH larger than you want to admit. Most years they exclude the NFL games from the ratings for TV, otherwise the top 50 plus events are NFL games and no one looks good. You can debate all you'd like it's not an event, but sorry it is and the facts show you're either delusional, argumentative or just flat obnoxious but either way you'd find the egg coating your face.
Sorry do you need me to find a better smiley for you to not take that so seriously? I hadn't realized the date moved when the Super Bowl did, although I think it's worth considering whether they should have moved it a week later instead. Yeah yeah that ostensibly means delaying the start of the NASCAR season but they have awful early season weather with their current schedule anyways.
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2014 for the Gidley crash, last weather stoppage was 2007. My brain doesn't really differentiate actual red flags from 3 hour safety car periods though. '11 and '13 had massively long fog FCYs and '16 had tons for rain, at least, so that's at least 4 years with large weather interruptions in the last 9.
Fair enough on "weather interuptions". Again, its Florida. Name a week when there's no possibility of a hurricane or some massive fire or torrential rains or 90 million degrees and 1000% humidity and I'll tell you you're in San Diego. Bill France should have built it out there!

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Yeah, it's not moving unless they find a completely different time of year so it's not moving
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I was surprised at the number of safety car periods in this race with just 47 cars. Even before the big storm by 5:00 am there were 11 of them.
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I was surprised at the number of safety car periods in this race with just 47 cars. Even before the big storm by 5:00 am there were 11 of them.
Wasn't LMPC supposed to be the sole reason for caution occurence and reason why people preferred low sub-50 fields over near 70 or something

Someone even said LMP2's the new LMPC when one of the Orecas touched the grass and near wall in the wet, even though it was no different to what was happening elsewhere
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Youve got to be kidding me, Land penalized post race and loses second place:

https://racer.com/2019/01/31/rolex-2...gtd-penalized/

They can't seem to run within the rules of IMSA
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Youve got to be kidding me, Land penalized post race and loses second place:

https://racer.com/2019/01/31/rolex-2...gtd-penalized/

They can't seem to run within the rules of IMSA
Wonder why they keep trying ... one of the best teams with the most good finishes and one of the worst records.

Also ... demoting the #63. Like watching the car ball itself up didn't hurt the team enough ....
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I'm thinking there won't be much more running from Land in IMSA after the last 2 24 Hours. It seems not to be their race, but they run well at the other events so who knows.
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Youve got to be kidding me, Land penalized post race and loses second place:

https://racer.com/2019/01/31/rolex-2...gtd-penalized/

They can't seem to run within the rules of IMSA
How did the 99 not get penalized for not meeting min drive times? They only ran 47 laps.
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I love reading the Racer comments especially after you get to recognizing posters. It's the worst kind of anger at the rules until it catches your guy then the rule makes are out to get <insert favorite driver here>.

Honestly I would have assumed any car not determined to be running, or had been withdrawn at the time they called the race would be excluded from the time penalty as they weren't running. But then the rule book isn't that short and there's probably a rule for every thing they could think of, and they likely missed things that actually happen
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I Honestly I would have assumed any car not determined to be running, or had been withdrawn at the time they called the race would be excluded from the time penalty as they weren't running. But then the rule book isn't that short and there's probably a rule for every thing they could think of, and they likely missed things that actually happen
I hope there will be some clarification of that. Could it be to ensure the drivers are rotated thru the car in the first and last half of the race (or some other percentage).
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Two big albums of my wet and wonderful trip to Daytona.

Start to dusk: https://bit.ly/2UBHJtK
Night to finish: https://bit.ly/2Smv1Bn

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- All pics are cropped and resized but otherwise unedited

The first album is a full 'circuit' of the spectator areas: pre-race and start from in the huge stand and then a walk around the infield, between 2pm and dusk at 6pm (plus some pics of the heritage laps earlier in the day).

The second album is that same 'circuit' after dark, to about 10pm, then from 5am until I bailed out, soaked to the skin, at about 11am.

In the very early hours between 5am and the first red flag just before dawn I was able to watch from a sheltered spot at the back of the lower tier of the stand just above turn one, watching car after car pirouette off.

When racing resumed I braved the infield, but it was very hard to take pictures. I was woefully under-dressed and had my camera wrapped in a towel borrowed from my hotel! The rain was driving right into the lens. But you will certainly get an accurate impression of the truly miserable conditions - the pictures taken at 10am are gloomy and dark, visibility was awful and there was a lot of water on the track. Oddly enough I have a lot more sympathy for the drivers having gone through these photos than I did at the time!

Next up, my first trip to Sebring :-)
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Start to dusk: https://bit.ly/2UBHJtK
Night to finish: https://bit.ly/2Smv1Bn

Some caveats:

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The first album is a full 'circuit' of the spectator areas: pre-race and start from in the huge stand and then a walk around the infield, between 2pm and dusk at 6pm (plus some pics of the heritage laps earlier in the day).

The second album is that same 'circuit' after dark, to about 10pm, then from 5am until I bailed out, soaked to the skin, at about 11am.

In the very early hours between 5am and the first red flag just before dawn I was able to watch from a sheltered spot at the back of the lower tier of the stand just above turn one, watching car after car pirouette off.

When racing resumed I braved the infield, but it was very hard to take pictures. I was woefully under-dressed and had my camera wrapped in a towel borrowed from my hotel! The rain was driving right into the lens. But you will certainly get an accurate impression of the truly miserable conditions - the pictures taken at 10am are gloomy and dark, visibility was awful and there was a lot of water on the track. Oddly enough I have a lot more sympathy for the drivers having gone through these photos than I did at the time!

Next up, my first trip to Sebring :-)
I just thumbed through. Nicely done! Thx for sharing!
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Start to dusk: https://bit.ly/2UBHJtK
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The first album is a full 'circuit' of the spectator areas: pre-race and start from in the huge stand and then a walk around the infield, between 2pm and dusk at 6pm (plus some pics of the heritage laps earlier in the day).

The second album is that same 'circuit' after dark, to about 10pm, then from 5am until I bailed out, soaked to the skin, at about 11am.

In the very early hours between 5am and the first red flag just before dawn I was able to watch from a sheltered spot at the back of the lower tier of the stand just above turn one, watching car after car pirouette off.

When racing resumed I braved the infield, but it was very hard to take pictures. I was woefully under-dressed and had my camera wrapped in a towel borrowed from my hotel! The rain was driving right into the lens. But you will certainly get an accurate impression of the truly miserable conditions - the pictures taken at 10am are gloomy and dark, visibility was awful and there was a lot of water on the track. Oddly enough I have a lot more sympathy for the drivers having gone through these photos than I did at the time!

Next up, my first trip to Sebring :-)
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Old 3 Feb 2019, 22:11 (Ref:3881750)   #1348
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Those cars look so good at night and in the wet. Thanks for sharing.
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Those cars look so good at night and in the wet. Thanks for sharing.
My pleasure! Thanks all for the nice comments. These are now my two most viewed albums ever!

I don't mind a bit of rain - as well as mixing up the racing it makes for great photos, especially at night.

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I haven't looked at all of them, but I agree with the rest. These are good photos and I have been enjoying looking through them.
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