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Old 15 Dec 2003, 08:19 (Ref:811988)   #26
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Nah they'll probably just give EC a 3rd round :P
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Old 15 Dec 2003, 08:26 (Ref:811991)   #27
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Wouldn't surprise me and promoted by TC himself; with a bit of help from Mark Skaife.
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Old 15 Dec 2003, 08:44 (Ref:811998)   #28
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They should really have another round at Symmons Plains like they did a few years ago. After all, the new champion is Tasmanian...
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Old 15 Dec 2003, 08:49 (Ref:812001)   #29
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Totally agree with a round at Symmons Plains would be good to see them back their. Just take the extra Eastern Creek round.
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Old 15 Dec 2003, 09:43 (Ref:812028)   #30
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The Historic Tourers becoming better to watch than the Sports Sedans or V8 Supercars if you prefer to call them that.
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Old 15 Dec 2003, 09:58 (Ref:812034)   #31
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Different makes, different models, different engine capacities are just some of the ingredients for historic tourers. Why can't it be the same now.
I think a lot of the spectators now are too young to remember the GT.HO, XU.1 and Charger battles in the top class then there were the Alfas, Capris, Escorts that were not that far behind. Lets hope GTP lives up to it's promise and we have that sort of racing back again.
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Old 15 Dec 2003, 11:08 (Ref:812069)   #32
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Different makes, different models, different engine capacities are just some of the ingredients for historic tourers. Why can't it be the same now.
I think a lot of the spectators now are too young to remember the GT.HO, XU.1 and Charger battles in the top class then there were the Alfas, Capris, Escorts that were not that far behind. Lets hope GTP lives up to it's promise and we have that sort of racing back again.
Times have changed, no offence but stop living in the past. Go and watch GTP if you want that type of racing, V8Supercars are far from perfect but it is Australia's most professional and premier motorsport series and I think we should all make the most of what we've got. I read alot of people are saying 'wasn't it great in the good old days?' Take Group C for example, I mean I wasn't old enough back then to remember but have watched and read enough about those times to have half an idea. The gaps between the cars were huge compared to today. Realistically, there were perhaps 4-5 cars that could win a given race. Usually it was Brock or Johnson, with Moffat in the RX7 thrown into the mix. The arguments about homologation of various parts sounded like they would pale any parity debates from today's series into insignificance. Yes back then we had variety of cars, but hell there were alot of flaws with 'the good old days' that you people fail to mention. Times have changed, as much as I disagree with some principles of the V8 formula, it is what it is and let's make the most of it. As promax said, you watch every race and come on here for hours discussing the series, if you hated it so much then just stop watching...

TC is a cockhead in many respects, and his views on taking the series to China, the constant street circuit push and attitude towards other categories I do disagree with. But someone said anyone could promote it like he has; well not true really. It was him and IMG who had the vision and took the risk in 1996 (when the series was in a shambles I might add) to make it into what it is today. Along the way it hasn't exactly been smooth sailing, but the permier Australian category has never been more popular and it should be appreciated for what it is...

My significant moments:

- V8/2Litre split
- Parity debate
- Lack of passing/domination by one team
- Introduction of AVESCO/IMG and the rise of TC
- Clipsal 500
- Franchise system
- TWR 'umbrella'
- '99 Bathurst introduction to the championship
- Holden domination/Ford performance issues
- Influx of younger drivers following Lowndes
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Old 15 Dec 2003, 12:13 (Ref:812097)   #33
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Another significant moment since 1993 was that it took until 1995 before the entire championship was solely a V8 only two-make series..

In 1993, The original rules for the post-Group A era called for a 3 race format, 1 for the outright class (which included V8s), 1 for 2 Litre cars (though alot of them were 1600cc cars), then a combined final race. That was the way it worked at Amaroo, but after that the 2 Litre class was abit thin, so the program went back to two combined races, with the 2 Litre championship run within the Shell Series, with the 2 Litre championship going down to the wire at Oran Park between Peter Doulman and John Smith, with Doulman coming out on top.

And as for the outright class, it was BMW who made the biggest committment, running four Amatil backed factory 2.5 ltr M3's for Tony Longhurst, John Blanchard, Paul Morris and Geoff Full, a bigger committment in terms of a factory effort than Ford or Holden, whom the series was created for. Hell, even the ancient 6 cylinder BMW 635csi (a 1985 vintage car) for the Gulson family made an appearance at Bathurst.

The 2.5ltr DTM BMW's were banned after 1993 (and paritied out of it during 1993), adn the 2ltr cars and V8s split to run seperate championships, yet Steve Ellery still contested round 1 of the 1994 ATCC at Amaroo Park in a 2ltr Ford Sierra, the only non-V8 in the race, and the last time it happened.

On a whole, the V8 formula was conceived in controversy, which has followed it the entire 11 years effectively.

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Old 15 Dec 2003, 12:18 (Ref:812101)   #34
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i would like to think lowndes vs. bowe at bathurst 1994 started a new era in the sport, for the better. before that it was a giant risk to put a young driver in a car.
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I wonder if Lowdnes has ever thanked Rickard Rydell for where his career has gone?
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 06:13 (Ref:812782)   #36
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A bit of a lucky break that certainly was but he sure hasn't wasted it.
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 08:55 (Ref:812873)   #37
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Maybe after ambrose has won the championship they can poor some money in to symonds plains is what people should be saying... because arn't the pits a bit inadequite?
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 10:48 (Ref:812954)   #38
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But they built a whole new pit facility in 1994, and relocated the whole front straight. They have had John Bowe racing in the series for years, and campaigning for help, yet they have done nothing, and really could you blame them? The pits aren't too bad, on a par with Wanneroo, wasn't it the corporate facilities that were the main problem.....oh and the rain.
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Old 16 Dec 2003, 12:58 (Ref:813040)   #39
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i thought it was a great track in the rain, we should have more 1st gear hairpins in the wet!
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haha yeah sorry, what ever it is I was under the impression it wasn't the series' fault.
But still, F1 has 2 German GPs...why can't we have our race back! And belive me, *everyone* would go up there to see it! (It'd be like the cricket when there is a decent match!)
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