Group 5 BMW 320's.

[mnsty]

Long shot here, but by chance has anyone seen or does anyone know anybody who has parts from the big rear window that Busby (in the USA) or later, the Schnitzer / Rodenstock car used?
Thanks.

[ian beckett]

Having followed these cars since they originally raced I have no idea where the actual cars are.I suspect one of the Schnitzer cars is still with Oppitzhauser in Austria but have no proof.I think the Busby parts were sourced in the States as it had no connection to the Schnitzer cars.Interestingly another car had this type of rear screen fitted ,the GS Tuning Jagermeister car but only at the Essen Motor Show in 1980 and never raced. Ian.

[driftwood]

Ian can you do me some BMW fotos on a CD for me??
Have you actually compiled a data base of every race and car used sold each year?
anyone have interior cockpit and engine bay period fotos at the track or from magazine articles
Im sure the german race mags must have done a few articles on Gp 5 cars

[mnsty]

Originally Posted by ian beckett

Having followed these cars since they originally raced I have no idea where the actual cars are.I suspect one of the Schnitzer cars is still with Oppitzhauser in Austria but have no proof.I think the Busby parts were sourced in the States as it had no connection to the Schnitzer cars.Interestingly another car had this type of rear screen fitted ,the GS Tuning Jagermeister car but only at the Essen Motor Show in 1980 and never raced. Ian.

I own and am finally restoring the Busby tubeframe car that was brought back from Australia to the US in the early 90s.
As I understand Jim and his team developed the large window, ran it here in the states and sold the moulds and parts to Schnitzer in 79 or so and they ran it in Europe.
Here is alink to some pictures of 320's with the aero windows.
http://munsty.smugmug.com/gallery/49...95581105_44kni

[driftwood]

do you have a large window on the car now?
If so we have poly carbon window suppliers here who could make a mould and supply windows

i recall the car for sale last year tried to get info on it but the guys at race-car.com where not pro active it is interesting that you say the car is tube frame not road car shel as the advert did not specify that

[mnsty]

Originally Posted by driftwood

do you have a large window on the car now?
If so we have poly carbon window suppliers here who could make a mould and supply windows

i recall the car for sale last year tried to get info on it but the guys at race-car.com where not pro active it is interesting that you say the car is tube frame not road car shel as the advert did not specify that

Actually the car is semi tube frame. Jim had a early car and when BMW released this car to him (it was the last 320 built) he knew the chassis flexed
so the first thing they did was clip the front, ran it then cut the floors out and tubed the car from fron to rear.
Jim says that this car is night and day from the 003 car (Hobbs lightweight 320) much stiffer and better handling.
And, no, I dont have anything but the window mounts, the special trunklid and window were gone when I got it.

[mnsty]

Maybe this will get this thread going again,
I was talking to Jim Busby about the sale of his two cars to Frank Gardner when
he told me that when they packed the cars and spares into two shipping containers headed to Australia, 1 container = 2 cars and an assortment of spares 1 container =
all the other spares including something like 15 engines and everything else they had to run the cars. the container with the spares disappeared, where are all those parts? keeping in mind this was 30 or so years ago.
just thinking.

[driftwood]

I assume teh container arrived in Oz
lest assume some engine sblew up car crashed parts get used up
then some motors get sold off and some parts get sold back to EEC car owners?
that could take care of 50% of the parts leaving the rest with the 2 cars in Oz?

[driftwood]

any more news info on BMW Gr 5 cars chassis numbers photos
anything from the DRM festival in august?

[kurtiejjj]

@Drifty, nothing has been announced until now about DRM Revival at the Oldtimer GP. I always get the press information but until now nothing has come in.

I fear next year will be another year without Gp5 cars, last year they only allowed a few Porsche 935s, no other Gp5 cars. Why? I haven't got a clue, their are some running 2 litre division cars around which want to get out and play, but the organisation said no

[Alex E]

Mnsty,
I still have the original bootlid from one of these cars that used the long window, the same as in the picture of your car. No perspex though.
Alex

[driftwood]

there must now be enough DRM/Gp 5 cars "running" to host a demo drive cum race
i see no reason why Gp2 and 4/5 cars cannot be in the same race until there are sufficient cars of each category to warrant a stand alone race in the future

[mnsty]

Originally Posted by Alex E

Mnsty,
I still have the original bootlid from one of these cars that used the long window, the same as in the picture of your car. No perspex though.
Alex

Alex,
I'd love to talk to you about the bootlid.
Cory

[kurtiejjj]

I stumbled onto a pic of a Jägermeister car with Höttinger on the side, take alook in my attachment. Which car is this? The earlier fruit of the Loom car perhaps?

[ian beckett]

The car is the GS Tuning car driven by Hottinger in the '79 DRM.It was brand new for the season and for '80 was driven by Jochen Dauer.It is pictured in the BMW Motorsport museum.

[driftwood]

im torn between painting my car this livery or warsteiner
yeah i know fraud cad scoundrel

[kurtiejjj]

Don't worry driftwood you car would look great in both liveries! With which body panel style are you rebuilding your car? The early GS-tuning or later one as on the Jägermeister car?

[driftwood]

not even thought about it lots to do before i get into that area!

[drivers71]

My contribution in photos.
The 320s were extremely competitive with all but the best Group 6 opposition, and provided some memorable racing.

1978 Silverstone 6 hours
Peterson/Stuck


http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-01.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-07.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-08.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-18.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-42.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-45.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC034-09.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC034-14.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC034-35.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC034-35.jpg
Kottulinsky/Marcus
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-02.jpg
Quester/Walkinshaw

http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-39.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-40.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-46.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC034-10.jpg
Grohs/Joosen
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-21.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-38.jpg


Emanuelsson/Carlsson
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC032-22.jpg
Francia/Grano
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC034-08.jpg
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1978/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/780514SSWSC034-12.jpg

1979 Silverstone 6 hours
Kristoffersen/Winter
http://i271.photobucket.com/albums/jj127/drivers71/Motor%20Racing/1979/Silverstone%206%20Hours%20WSC/790506SSWSC048-09.jpg

[driftwood]

great pics i did look at yr pics you hosted could not find silverstone 81 1000 km event
did you visit that event any kenneth leim white 320i
did you take any under bonnet shots of cars at these events?

[mnsty]

Great pictures!! I especially like the Peterson pics, as that is my car in it's pre Jim Busby IMSA, works days.
If you have more that would be great. Keep em coming!!
Cory

[Alex E]

Hi Mnsty,
The car in the pictures is actually E21-R1-16, you car came along a little later in `78 I think.
Alex

[drivers71]

Afraid not, Driftwood; I was at Silverstone and Le Mans in 1981 but don't seem to have any 320s in those two events. I've only put my most respectable photos onto Photobucket, so I may have some less-good ones - I'll check through my archives!
You can browse through all the photos I have on Photobucket, using the following link:
http://photobucket.com/Drivers71-Racing
Find the year and see which races I went to.

Thanks for your comments.
Rich

[mnsty]

Hello Alex,
Jim Busby told me his (my) tubeframe car was run in two events by Peterson, crashed at the Nurburgring in practice, repaired and sold to him.

That's the story I have.
Is "16" the other Busby car?

[mnsty]

Hello again Alex,
I have also found this that seems to back up what Jim told me.
http://grandprixinsider.wordpress.com/2008/04/04/1286/
At the bottom of the story.