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Old 18 Oct 2018, 11:30 (Ref:3857479)   #76
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How strange, I thought Peugeot Sport looked well committed to World Rallycross, why the sudden change in heart?
Maybe PSA have spent all their money on Citroen/Ogier in WRC? Not enough left for WRX as well?

So Ford dropped out at the end of last season, now Audi and Peugeot are out. Might as well hand PSRX next years titles now and save everyone some time.
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Old 18 Oct 2018, 11:30 (Ref:3857480)   #77
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I could be completely off - as I don't know if PSA have a central pool for motorsport funding or if each individual manufacturer has a separate budget - but could this be connected to Citroen signing Ogier?

With Citroen getting Ogier onboard and talking about going all out next year, I just wonder if the extra funding has come from elsewhere within the PSA Group? Or are Peugeot stepping back until there are concrete plans for electric in place?
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Old 18 Oct 2018, 11:55 (Ref:3857492)   #78
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"Peugeot will concentrate its resources on developing these new [electric sports] vehicles and has therefore decided to withdraw from the WRX championship at the end of the 2018 season, whose evolution towards electrification is uncertain," said Peugeot brand CEO Jean-Philippe Imparato in a tweet.

https://www.autosport.com/wrx/news/1...lY-MbN3ht1bV4s

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Old 18 Oct 2018, 12:08 (Ref:3857497)   #79
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In all seriousness, this to me looks like Peugeot were the ones pushing electric and the fact no-one else was interested and IMG had to can it for a year is probably the reason.

I always said rallycross needed to be pushed slowly, but IMG just packaged it, slapped a logo on it and sold it to the highest bidder too quickly, and now the wheels are totally falling off.

For me, VW should go too, that way maybe there can be some sort of cooldown, work out a better way forward. AS let's be honest, VW being involved is the primary reason the series has fallen away in terms of spectacle. As I always said, domination only works for one person, the one dominating. The series, the fans, the other teams all suffer.

It's sad, but I hope for two things. Either IMG finally understand what they bought all those years ago, or they sod off and leave it to people that know what they are doing.
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Old 18 Oct 2018, 12:34 (Ref:3857501)   #80
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Article now up on Motorsport.com:

https://www.motorsport.com/world-rx/...-2018/3196989/

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Peugeot will concentrate its resources on developing these new [electric sports] vehicles and has therefore decided to withdraw from the WRX championship at the end of the 2018 season, whose evolution towards electrification is uncertain
So delaying the electrification of World Rallycross has caused them to walk away? Does that mean they will return as and when electric rallycross happens?
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Old 18 Oct 2018, 14:05 (Ref:3857524)   #81
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Old 18 Oct 2018, 14:26 (Ref:3857537)   #82
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Isnít this positive? Many of us have been saying that the money of the manufacturer teams has been spoiling it, this allows a move back towards a decent privateer grid more like 2014/2015 era....just need to get rid of those pesky F1 tracks now.


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Old 18 Oct 2018, 15:47 (Ref:3857561)   #83
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Isnít this positive? Many of us have been saying that the money of the manufacturer teams has been spoiling it, this allows a move back towards a decent privateer grid more like 2014/2015 era....just need to get rid of those pesky F1 tracks now.


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I'm not sure I would consider it a positive. But you are correct, it would be great if it moved back to the grids similar to 14/15 but at this time it just leaves VW as the only manufacturer supported team. They are already pretty dominant even against manufacturer backed teams so I'm sure this will not help that situation any.
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Old 18 Oct 2018, 16:25 (Ref:3857567)   #84
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I'm not sure I would consider it a positive. But you are correct, it would be great if it moved back to the grids similar to 14/15 but at this time it just leaves VW as the only manufacturer supported team. They are already pretty dominant even against manufacturer backed teams so I'm sure this will not help that situation any.
Yeah, I agree. With just the dominant manufacturer remaining than the divide between VW and the rest of the field will surely just increase further...

...but if VW did take a step back then we might see grids similar to the first couple of World RX seasons.

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Old 18 Oct 2018, 16:50 (Ref:3857572)   #85
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Are we sure VW committed to the EV class? With Audi out, engineering costs per car went up by 1/4 at least for them. I presume they'll go out as well since IMG messes up.
If you read the tweet 'whose evolution towards electrification is uncertain', you get the impression that 2021 isn't in the picture either. And who wants to develop 2 cars when it's unsure that 1 of them can't run. You hollow out the budget for something without ROI. Not an expert, but that makes you losing 1th place even before the season starts.
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If you read the tweet 'whose evolution towards electrification is uncertain', you get the impression that 2021 isn't in the picture either.
Well if I remember the wording rightly the delay was to "allow more manufacturers time to finalize plans" (or something like that); if those manufacturers don't commit in time, I guess there is a possibility that debut date fir electric rallycross could slip back again?

I wonder if Peugeot have agreed to return once the arrival of electric rallycross has a solid date (and thus they can still be considered one of the supporting manufacturers) or if they have completely walked away from rallycross for now?
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Old 18 Oct 2018, 19:28 (Ref:3857604)   #87
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From what I understand they needed 4 manufacturers for e-WRX.

Hopefully VW will also quit WRX.
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I assume the WRX budget will now move to the WRC campaign.
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Peugeot do not run in WRC, I would think the budgets for both are separate, they will probably go into something like FE or something amazingly dull like that. I doubt they were spending tens of millions a year on WRX anyway.

I can see Kenny going with Citroen again national backing as before, he can easily build the cars and get the budgets together to run Tim and Kevin. He has a fabulous relationship with Citroen after all. Loeb never really seemed that interested to me anyway, like he was doing it coz he had to, not that he wanted to.

Stupidly electric suits rallycross very well, but for fans it would be a hugely retrograde step.

Most fans like modern supercars, I personally think they are fairly mundane in comparison with some cars of the recent past, all that happened was testing and development moved things on a pace in a few years.

Not that long ago you could win ERC titles in a 5 year old Focus if you spent hundreds of thousands on engines a year and could drive well. Is that any worse? No, but the car looked and sounded better and the tracks were better, more interesting and the tickets were cheaper, the grids were bigger etc etc.

IMG bring a lot, but they bring a lot of bad aswell as good, the sooner people realise this the better and it seems manufacturers are also seeing that what was sold on the tin, is not what they were getting.
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Audi wants Mattias Ekstrom back in DTM.

They even wanted EKS running customer cars in DTM but Ekstrom doesn't want that because they have no chance against factory cars.
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