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Old 13 Oct 2006, 06:59 (Ref:1736827)   #1
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Top Hat Regs & CTCRC regs. (Spin off from Mallory Park thread)

I have it on good authority that Daffin's Capri (Top Hat, Mallory) was not running Dunlop D84 tyres (the specified tyre) and he was running triple carbs (a group 2 mod), which would explain why he was a second quicker than my time last year.

I'm beginning to think that its not worth rebuilding my car to the regs if Julius isn't going to enforce them.

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Old 13 Oct 2006, 09:13 (Ref:1736965)   #2
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Top Hat Regs & CTCRC regs. (Spin off from Mallory Park thread)

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Not the attitude Peter, I'm hoping Top Hat take note and do something about it rather than slip into the over prepared mire as some other series have.

and I know they read this

I bloody well hope they do read it. He ran that set up complete with front chin spoiler and boot "ducktail" at Spa. He's not a bad bloke but if he wants to run modified then he really needs to build a proper Group 2 replica. Seems to me that he's keen to beat me yet can't do it within the regs. What it is to be a target.
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He's also lobbying the CTCRC to allow Capris to run 15" wheels so you can run bigger brakes.

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Incidently I've been contacted by a company asking if I'm interested in having a Cologne Capri replica built. I am but I don't have that kind of dosh sadly.
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Old 13 Oct 2006, 13:40 (Ref:1737187)   #3
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I bloody well hope they do read it. He ran that set up complete with front chin spoiler and boot "ducktail" at Spa. He's not a bad bloke but if he wants to run modified then he really needs to build a proper Group 2 replica. Seems to me that he's keen to beat me yet can't do it within the regs. What it is to be a target.
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He's also lobbying the CTCRC to allow Capris to run 15" wheels so you can run bigger brakes.

Thanks for reading, you've been a wonderful audience. Don't forget to try the veal and tip your waitress. We now return you to the topic


Incidently I've been contacted by a company asking if I'm interested in having a Cologne Capri replica built. I am but I don't have that kind of dosh sadly.
Is,nt this exactly what we were discussing , about thesr championships being policed properly,this is how to end a good one.
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Old 13 Oct 2006, 18:58 (Ref:1737400)   #4
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I bloody well hope they do read it. He ran that set up complete with front chin spoiler and boot "ducktail" at Spa. He's not a bad bloke but if he wants to run modified then he really needs to build a proper Group 2 replica. Seems to me that he's keen to beat me yet can't do it within the regs. What it is to be a target.
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He's also lobbying the CTCRC to allow Capris to run 15" wheels so you can run bigger brakes.

Thanks for reading, you've been a wonderful audience. Don't forget to try the veal and tip your waitress. We now return you to the topic


Incidently I've been contacted by a company asking if I'm interested in having a Cologne Capri replica built. I am but I don't have that kind of dosh sadly.
How about half each !

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Old 13 Oct 2006, 19:28 (Ref:1737421)   #5
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Hello Peter .. Have to admit having a look round at the cars at Mallory in the Groovy baby race and raced with them myself the general feeling is "Anything goes " We have tried to build our 2002 to the CTCC regs and its not going to get anywhere near some of them motors !!
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Old 14 Oct 2006, 15:09 (Ref:1737816)   #6
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On a good note , The old man spoke to Jenny and she said that there will be more british rounds for Top Hat next year , So maybe if the classes could be made clearer it maybe good, Have to admit I really like the format & and generally the whole day experence.
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Hello Peter .. Have to admit having a look round at the cars at Mallory in the Groovy baby race and raced with them myself the general feeling is "Anything goes " We have tried to build our 2002 to the CTCC regs and its not going to get anywhere near some of them motors !!
Another point daj. I can run with them (except Dave T who's car is legal but the combination is very quick), but I don't want to beat them by cheating which is what I'd have to do. Stick to the regs and I'm sure next year we'll get some reality back.
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Peter why not come back racing with the CTCRC, I will fight that allowing larger diameter wheels tooth and nail as this is one of the rulings that started the rot in Modprods. Bigger rims, means more expensive wheels and tyres and must have massive brakes, ever seen a Mk 2 Escort on 18 inch rims, it looks sad and thats what started to appear in the ModProds. I have spent a fair bit of time and mpney squeezing the biggest caliper and disc into a 15 inch rim that I can get and I would not be happy if they changed that as I only finished the work a couple of hours ago!

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Al, Its this sort of situation that set,s the rot up in most series.These people come along and want this thar changed for thier own advantages, which over a period of time just grows until the cars become to expensive to build, then the champioship dissapears completely.If the current specs are good enough for some,!!etc,etc:
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Just to squash some of the tosh above.
Nobody has lobbied the CTCRC for bigger wheels in period.
We are considering letting the older cars that enter Pre-93 races use larger diameter rims, so that they can take advantage of newer list rubber at sensible prices.
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What John has explained makes sense and it was only in the pre 93's not the Historics so no problem (previous comments withdrawn!). We were also discussing a compromise re-big brakes but thats John's decision.

BTW Alan Daffin's car has popped up here! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ford-capri-rac...QQcmdZViewItem
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Question,

Does that mean that the older cars would need to carry different wheels and brakes for each championship entered? Forgive me but if so that's just plain short sighted. The reason that older cars are allowed into newer category races is to ensure the grids are filled (no problem with that) but what seems to be suggested is that the older cars will be limited to those newer categories thus reducing the grids in the more established championships.

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I don't have the time to concentrate on a championship. I was going to rejoin the club this year but I saw some of the cars at Donington last season with bodywork cut to give more airflow etc.

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What John has explained makes sense and it was only in the pre 93's not the Historics so no problem (previous comments withdrawn!). We were also discussing a compromise re-big brakes but thats John's decision.

BTW Alan Daffin's car has popped up here! http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Ford-capri-rac...QQcmdZViewItem
Group 1 Capri? Bit of mis-selling there methinks but I know he's building a Mk3.
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Does that mean that the older cars would need to carry different wheels and brakes for each championship entered?
Only if they wanted to Peter. They could, as at present, race on their period rubber.

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Forgive me but if so that's just plain daft. The reason that older cars are allowed into newer category races is to ensure the grids are filled (no problem with that) but what seems to be suggested is that the older cars will be limited to those newer categories thus reducing the grids in the more established championships.
Nothing to suggest that older cars would be limited to the newer categories. This is for people who are keen to get a second race and want to use newer rubber for that race, and get that rubber at a sensible cost.
If they want to move to the newer category permanently, I guess that they could fit bigger brakes, but nobody I have spoken to wants to do that as it would render their car ineligible for the period championship.
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