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Old 18 Jun 2018, 09:49 (Ref:3831595)   #26
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Follow Stian Paulsen on YouTube.

Races in the TCR Europe series. Does all the work himself between race meetings, tows it behind his van in an enclosed trailer, and hired a couple of weekend warriors to crew it at the track. Top 5 runner, and a true privateer.
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Old 18 Jun 2018, 15:06 (Ref:3831665)   #27
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Races in the TCR Europe series. Does all the work himself between race meetings, tows it behind his van in an enclosed trailer, and hired a couple of weekend warriors to crew it at the track. Top 5 runner, and a true privateer.
Kind of old school, 60s-70s-like vibes, eh?
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Old 19 Jun 2018, 07:00 (Ref:3831809)   #28
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Races in the TCR Europe series. Does all the work himself between race meetings, tows it behind his van in an enclosed trailer, and hired a couple of weekend warriors to crew it at the track. Top 5 runner, and a true privateer.
Great to see some reality check in this forum for all the fear mongering.

Surely a new diverse category can be a good thing rather than another tier of the same v8 powered common chassis series?

Understand that there is questions around Australia's ability to sustain high numbers of categories - however atleast this is an internationally proven category and has manufacturer interest already.
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Old 19 Jun 2018, 08:23 (Ref:3831822)   #29
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The only reality check is that a guy with 3 crew and a trailer can run in the top 5 doesn't say much for the professionalism and competitiveness of the series at all. It's just like GT3 but slower and more boring.

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Old 19 Jun 2018, 08:49 (Ref:3831831)   #30
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He's running up against factory-assisted teams, such as WRT who won the Bathurst 12hr this year. I'm guessing they also tow their fleet of cars behind high-milage vans, and sleep in half-day rate motels.
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Old 19 Jun 2018, 09:50 (Ref:3831840)   #31
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The only reality check is that a guy with 3 crew and a trailer can run in the top 5 doesn't say much for the professionalism and competitiveness of the series at all. It's just like GT3 but slower and more boring.

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How awful. A set of regulations where the little guy has a chance against the bigger teams.

What a ridiculous view of motor racing

A series isn't unprofessional just because the little guys have a chance of doing well.
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Old 19 Jun 2018, 09:56 (Ref:3831844)   #32
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Actually it means even a professional race team can't make a difference because there is so little you can do to the cars, so why don't we run it like the Toyota 86 series?

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Old 19 Jun 2018, 10:19 (Ref:3831848)   #33
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I think it says more about the affordability and user-friendliness of the ruleset.
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Old 19 Jun 2018, 11:03 (Ref:3831854)   #34
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I think it says more about the affordability and user-friendliness of the ruleset.
Unfortunately you can I have different definitions of affordability. To me these are production cars which are 2 or 3 times the price they should be to buy.

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Old 19 Jun 2018, 11:04 (Ref:3831855)   #35
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Unfortunately you can I have different definitions of affordability. To me these are production cars which are 2 or 3 times the price they should be to buy.

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Remarkably similar to the 86 series then.....
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Old 19 Jun 2018, 13:29 (Ref:3831883)   #36
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Unfortunately you can I have different definitions of affordability. To me these are production cars which are 2 or 3 times the price they should be to buy.

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They're not production cars, in the way that we have them here in the APCC, or the 86s, or the Excels, Pulsars, etc.

Maybe you need to have a closer look at them, and see all the racecar bits they have.
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I feel there are a lot of people scratching for reasons not to like them.
Perhaps as they did when Group A came to be or was in the 'pre-happening' stage?
Time will tell if it is a bit of a NIMBY approach.
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Old 19 Jun 2018, 14:58 (Ref:3831901)   #38
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I feel there are a lot of people scratching for reasons not to like them.
It's funny because I have been downloading and watching the races long before it was talked about on here. I drive a Golf and I like the class, but people are barking up the wrong tree if they think this is ever going to be anything significant in Australia.

These would be an entertaining class running around with the GTs, BUT I fail to see why anybody would spend Carrera Cup money to go so slow, and be in such an uninspiring vehicle, especially when the VAG makes are all the same bits, running in 4 different body shells. Hyundai and Kia will do the same thing, without a doubt.

They may have nice race car bits but they are still droning 4-pot bum draggers, none of which makes for spectacular racing.

If the manufacturers wanted a fleet of these things racing against each other in their names, they could easily do it, but they are instead profiteering on it.
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The only reality check is that a guy with 3 crew and a trailer can run in the top 5 doesn't say much for the professionalism and competitiveness of the series at all. It's just like GT3 but slower and more boring.
And another reality check
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Whilst we know what the cars are based on overseas experience / material, we don't have anything concrete at this point on who'll be running the series, where it will be running (I suspect Shannons Nationals but let's see what comes) or what brands / teams are likely or confirmed to be taking part.

In my view, until those things at least are known, it's pretty hard to form any meaningful opinion on where it might sit in the overall Oz circuit racing landscape.
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Old 20 Jun 2018, 00:41 (Ref:3831994)   #41
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It may not get off the ground here at all. I won't lose any sleep over it.

If it does, great.
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It may not get off the ground here at all. I won't lose any sleep over it.

If it does, great.
I hope its exciting as the Truck/Ute series. !
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Old 20 Jun 2018, 05:06 (Ref:3832014)   #43
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If it falls over, at least they'll be able to offload a TCR car to another series
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Maybe Paul Pickett could run the i30n out of his "shop"

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That’s not much of a benchmark
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Sufferred the opening round of the British series. A dozen or so entries made for a significantly dull couple of races. Qualifying was worse. The problem is high performance FWD cars are not very exciting unless they're travelling in packs. In my opinion, the TCR concept is somewhat limited in appeal.
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Did you not hear my hint my sarcasm
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A big problem we have is that if people don't like one part of something, then they carry on as if the whole thing is no good.

We have this in the music industry - picture a show with 5 bands playing, some people will see a band they like and go along to watch. Others will see that there is a band playing they don't like, so will make sure not to attend and tell all their friends that they shouldn't go either. Terrible attitude.

I'm not interested in TCR. Can't see myself watching much of them at all TBQH. But why can't we have a discussion about how our current series could be improved by some of the concepts from within TCR? Manufacturer diversity, low running costs, easy maintenance - someone explain to me again why Supercars needs to be a development series and how that provides any benefit to anyone at all?
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someone explain to me again why Supercars needs to be a development series and how that provides any benefit to anyone at all?
A couple of hundred people employed in designing, manufacturing & servicing the cars might have something to say about a benefit... In fact I believe some of them even post here.
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