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Old 16 Jan 2004, 21:40 (Ref:840935)   #121
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Yes Jeremy ,
T280 is also an evolution of T290 or is T290 an evolution of T280 ? At this time I think that LOLA factory builded a
lot of chassis abble to be T280 or T290, the same for
T284 and T294 etc etc ....So a chassis could get3L or 2L engine and why not ? change engine in her life ...So JM Teiss├ędre could write: a evolution of .....
Maybe somebody know if the T280 chassis is exactly like T290 ?
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Old 16 Jan 2004, 21:42 (Ref:840940)   #122
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The Jolly Club T282 was raced in 1974 by Pianta-Lombardi, with Lavazza sponsorship. In 1975 Pianta and Brambilla drove the car, plain white with Arrigoni sponsorship at Monza, then at Nurburgring they had a new T380 (plain white/Arrigoni).
The same car was used the following year by Capoferri partnered by "Pam" and, later in the year, Mario Casoni.
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Old 16 Jan 2004, 21:56 (Ref:840955)   #123
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Fausto,

The Capoferri car was always referred to (in UK reports anyway) as a T390-DFV, so I wasn't sure whether it was an "inaccuracy" or a T390 uprated with a DFV. So this definitely was the Jolly Club T380?

Do you know anything about a T282 entered for Manfredini/Casoni in the 1977 Coppa Florio by Citta dei Mille?

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Old 16 Jan 2004, 22:33 (Ref:841007)   #124
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Jeremy, I remember from the period magazines that the Pianta/Brambilla/Casoni/Capoferri car was referred as T380, apparently it started life as an original 3 litres car, but you cannot trust Italian journalists on matters like non-Ferrari sportscar chassis numbers.
The Manfredini-Casoni 1977 car could be a Gulf Rondini sponsored car, Rondini being the Bergamo area Gulf dealer (and the company that helped Alessandro Pesenti Rossi with his mid-seventies F.1 adventure with Tyrrell), Scuderia Citt├* dei Mille was from Bergamo too. At the time Capoferri was the Italian Lola importer and played around with various cars (T284, T286), he even built his own chassis, probably based on a Lola, the Capoferri M1.
More in a couple of days, when I reach the magazines, they aren't here with me...
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Old 16 Jan 2004, 22:54 (Ref:841029)   #125
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Great, thanks very much.
UK sources also said the M1 was indeed Lola-based.
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Old 18 Jan 2004, 15:44 (Ref:842418)   #126
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Writing about Pergusa 1977 I'm now going off-topic, please excuse me.....
I went through Autosprint (Italian motorsport weekly) and found out that at Pergusa 1977 there were three "Capoferri" Lolas:
-the Casoni-Manfredini car, apparently a T380 (for sure it wore a 380 bodywork....), probably the "Arrigoni" car
-a 3 litre class T286, powered by a 2.1 l. turbocharged Cosworth engine, practiced by Capoferri and Gottifredi, who was probably involved in the engine preparation
-a 2 litre T296 for Ghislotti and Camathias
All the cars sported Gulf sponsorship, the three liters being probably white (b/w pictures) while, if memory doesn't fail me, the 2 litre was Gulf blue.
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Old 18 Jan 2004, 16:34 (Ref:842446)   #127
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Thanks again Fausto for clearing up those inaccuracies.

Wouldn't worry too much about going off-topic, we've done that a fair bit on this thread, so it's a bit of a general 3-litre Lola thread now!
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Old 8 Mar 2004, 00:50 (Ref:897610)   #128
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Just noticed that Corrado Manfredini is listed as being entered in the 1000km Imola 4/6/74 in a T282 by 'Scuderia Brescia Corse', rather than Jolly Club, who he raced for at other times in the season. Is that a 'nom de plume' for Jolly Club?

Incidentally, apparently a second T282 was entered for the same event but did not appear, for Pianta/Pica, the regular Jolly Club pairing that year - perhaps because Manfredini got the nod (or had the wads!?).

Manfredini also appeared at the Nurburgring Interserie 8/9/74 and finished 5th in a T282, entered by Jolly Club. This T282 is presumably the one reported to be the ex-Gitanes works car from 1973, which is (IIRC) HU06 - I think Alain can confirm this as he actually has a build date for this car?

Two weeks later, Lella Lombardi finished 3rd in the Jolly Club T282 at the Casale Interserie. In the same race, Heinz Schulthess came 7th in a 'T284'. So at least we know they cannot be the same cars. Purely conjecture here, but maybe the wreck of the prototype T282 (HU05, crashed and apparently written off, Kyalami late 72) hung around for a while and was then rebuilt as a one-off T284 for the 74 season for Schulthess?

Next, a T282 is listed at not classified for the 1000km of Mugello 23/3/75 for "Pibo"/Gallo. No entrant listed but maybe this was the Jolly Club T282?

Schulthess is then listed in the results of the 800km Dijon 6/4/75, driving a 'T282' with Herve Bayard, as a DNF.

Schulthess still had his car 13/4/75 as he finished 2nd in an Interserie race at Hockenheim, although it is reported as a 'T284' again.

A week later, Brambilla/Pianta DNF in the 1000km Monza 20/4/75 in a T282 entered by the Jolly Club. Same car entered but DNA (presumably Jolly Club again) at the Coppa Florio at Enna, 18/5/75.

In the same 1000km Monza, 20/4/75, there is an interesting confluence, with Schulthess teaming up with Manfredini in a 'T284' entered by Gulf Switzerland. Car DNF.

For the 1000km Spa, 4/5/75, a T284 was driven by Belgians Christine Beckers and Willie Braillard, entered by Chappee RTS and DNF. Maybe they rented the car from Schulthess for the race?

Then Kurt Hild (is he the guy who was involved in the Rodriguez accident?) is listed as driving a T284S (not sure what the 'S' stands for?) 17/8/75 Interserie at Kassel-Calden. Again, perhaps he rented this from Schulthess?

Then in 1976, Schulthess entered his T284 for the 300km of Nurburgring, although I'm not clear about the date of this race. Then he drove with Francois Migault in the 200km of Salzburgring, data not sure, perhaps Sept 76, and DNF.

Only appearance for T280/2/4 in Interserie in 1976 was our friend Jorg Zaborowski, trying out his newly-purchased ex-Lord T280 HU04 in the round at Mainz-Finthen 24/10/76.

In 1977, Lombardi/Pianta DNF in a 'T282' at the 500km Monza 24/4/77, entered by Pianta, while Manfredini/Ghislotti were entered in a 'T282' but DNA, reportedly entered by Manfredini. Presumably the Lombardi/Pianta car was still the ex-Gitanes HU06?

Then on 2/6/77, 400km Vallelunga, Lombardi DNF in a T282, while Manfredini was reportedly entered in a T284 (to be borrowed from his co-driver of the prevoius year Schulthess perhaps?) but DNA.

Then, as Jeremy has already mentioned, Casoni/Manfredini (that man again!) teamed up in a 'T282' to finish 5th in the Coppa Florio at Enna, 19/6/77, entered by Citta dei Mille. Now Fausto has reported that this was actually a T380, so perhaps this is a T282 red herring?

So this would/should leave us with four T280s (HU01-4), two T282s (HU05/6) one of which (HU05?) was perhaps rebuilt for 1974 as a one-off T284. Then the T286 run began at HU07?

Lastly, just a small point Jeremy: I see you talk about Schulthess's car being referred to variously as either a T284 or T286. I've not seen it referred to as a T286 (not that that means much!) but I have seen one reference calling it a T282. Most, however, call it a T284.

Maybe this helps to clear one or two things up?

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Old 8 Mar 2004, 10:29 (Ref:897879)   #129
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Michael,

Thanks for the long post! I'd been through a lot of the stuff you've mentioned already, but with no real conclusions.

However (Using "Time & Two seats", among other refs):

Mugello 75: Pibo/Gallo's car type is perhaps doubtful, as the car ran in the 130cc class (Italian champ. class I think), so may have been a a T29*, or anything really!

Spa 75: The Beckers/Brailliard T284 was Schulthess' chassis. He was originally nominated as a driver.

I mus admit I tend a bit wary of some DNAs, as they can be a replacement number for the same car that did turn up, or a figment of someone's wishful thinking....

As I mentioned, Schulthess' car was delivered just before LM74, so either of the hypotheses we've put forward previously may work for this. This car is (I think, possibly, maybe) now at the same museum as the fairly tatty-looking ex-Mallock T280 that we saw a while ago in this thread, it would be nice if someone could shed some light on it.

Then there was a T286 driven by Renzo Zorzi in 1979-81...

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Old 8 Mar 2004, 11:07 (Ref:897915)   #130
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Jeremy

Yes, I agree totally about the DNA thing, often that car did appear at the race with a different crew, so they are not two different cars but the same one.

Good that you could confirm about Schulthess's car being used at Spa.

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Old 18 Mar 2004, 00:34 (Ref:908780)   #131
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Well, apparently, Fox Motorsports have T280 chassis numbers 2 & 5 for sale in this month's Motor Sport. This is a remarkable feat since I understand that it was chassis 2 that Bonnier crashed at Le Mans in 1972, while I have always believed that only four T280s were built... Oh well, I'm prepared to be proved wrong - no doubt Fox can provide a detailed race-by-race history to prove the provenance of the cars they have for sale.

Another interesting snippet from Motor Sport. In a piece about the ADA sportscar, they talk about how the original ADA was based on a '1974 Lola sports car'. I wonder what type? Anybody have any ideas?
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Old 18 Mar 2004, 07:22 (Ref:908928)   #132
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I remember reading that ADA 01 was based on a Lola raced by Dorset Racing, somewhere they said T3**, although I don't recall a similar chassis raced by Dorset....

Re to march 8 Michael post I can say that there wasn't apparently any relation between Jolly Club and Scuderia Citt├* dei Mille.

Probably, during 1974-5 in Italy two 3 litre Lola were raced, a series 2, the Lavazza/Arrigoni car, used sometime by others, and the series 3 used by Pianta and Brambilla at Nurburgring in '75 and the following year by "Pam", Casoni and Capoferri. I remember for sure that Italian weekly "Autosprint" wrote, some weeks after the Monza 1000, about Brambilla and Pianta receiving a brand new Lola (so it wasn't a bodywork update only....).
I also remember about Capoferri being not very happy with T380 and the team, run by Gianfranco Bielli (later in F.3000 with Crypton, Autosport Racing and others).
Infact the following year he went his own way, becoming Italian Lola distributor....
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Old 18 Mar 2004, 10:13 (Ref:909070)   #133
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On the ADA front I also recall it being described a sbased on an ex-Dorset Lola. Apart from being perhpas the ugliest Group C ever, it always reminded me of a T380/390 series, rather than a 280/290. I agree with Fausto here, did Dorset ever have a T3-- series Lola, I thought they only had a couple of 290s or similar ??
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Old 18 Mar 2004, 11:00 (Ref:909115)   #134
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I thought the ADA (we do mean the red white & blue car?) was based on a De Cadanet which in turn was in part based on a Lola?

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Old 18 Mar 2004, 11:22 (Ref:909134)   #135
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Maybe they put the T3**/De Cadenet body on a T2** chassis...
I remember reading somewhere that they used a Porsche 906 windscreen and turned it 90┬░.
In my opinion it was not that ugly though.....

O.T.: when ADA bought the Gebhardt the car was sold to Francy Jerancic from Jugoslavia, that fitted a Porsche flat 6 atmospheric engine, and offered drives in the car through Autosport and Autosprint.
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