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Old 2 Jan 2019, 21:19 (Ref:3873721)   #46
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Rockenfeller thinks the new cars will be 2-3 seconds a lap quicker than the old ones Impressive stuff if true!
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Rockenfeller thinks the new cars will be 2-3 seconds a lap quicker than the old ones Impressive stuff if true!
He also says that V8 had only 500 hp but we all know they were "boosted" by a wider restrictor a season or two ago. So, this advertising stuff is not a reliable source for information.

PS At Goodwood FoS DTM cars were not impressive at all in terms of results. Even a NASCAR Truck was faster IIRC.

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He also says that V8 had only 500 hp but we all know they were "boosted" by a wider restrictor a season or two ago. So, this advertising stuff is not a reliable source for information.
I guess that's true - they'll always talk up the new stuff. We'll see for sure how the cars compare once we get the season underway!

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PS At Goodwood FoS DTM cars were not impressive at all in terms of results. Even a NASCAR Truck was faster IIRC.
Times at FOS aren't really meaningful, unless the cars are in the 'shootout' then it's hard to know how hard the cars are being pushed. Some stop and do burnouts or doughnuts for example. I don't think I've ever seen a DTM car 'on it' at FOS - they've just done demo runs rather than go for times.
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Times at FOS aren't really meaningful, unless the cars are in the 'shootout' then it's hard to know how hard the cars are being pushed. Some stop and do burnouts or doughnuts for example. I don't think I've ever seen a DTM car 'on it' at FOS - they've just done demo runs rather than go for times.
Mark Skinner (Toyota Tundra) in 2018 shootout did 48.25. Ricky Collard (of course, it was a first outing at the wheel of BMW M4 DTM, wasn't it?) did 50.82. Frank Biela (A4 DTM) was even slower than Andrew Jordan (BMW 125) - clearly was too careful not to scratch the racing car. Maybe that's why they haven't left any recollections. For sure, it's only a show, but still has a bit of info in it.
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Old 9 Jan 2019, 09:37 (Ref:3874922)   #50
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So, they are still planning "united" race in Japan in November. Looks like it's going to be Fuji, but they still in debate. As for a European round, DTM bosses are not going to held more than 9 calendar events, so they need to host an "international" round at Hockenheim in October. And I'm sure GT500 teams are not able to arrive. So, just another joke from the DTM klein circus.
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Mark Skinner (Toyota Tundra) in 2018 shootout did 48.25. Ricky Collard (of course, it was a first outing at the wheel of BMW M4 DTM, wasn't it?) did 50.82. Frank Biela (A4 DTM) was even slower than Andrew Jordan (BMW 125) - clearly was too careful not to scratch the racing car. Maybe that's why they haven't left any recollections. For sure, it's only a show, but still has a bit of info in it.
It only provides information if you can show that the cars were being pushed to the limit.

Even if the DTM cars WERE being pushed to the limit, the comparison still tells us nothing because Mike Skinner's time was set in a heavily modified truck that is far faster than a standard NASCAR Tundra. It is to NASCAR Trucks as the Porsche 919 Evo is to LMP1 - built on a car designed for the associated rules, but altered well beyond what is allowed in the original series.
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The DTM will use an IndyCar-style push-to-pass system alongside a revised DRS in 2019 in a bid to improve the racing spectacle.
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Push-to-pass is okay, at least I've heard it works well in IndyCar but what's the point in maintaining DRS at the same time? And I don't like the idea of 3 seconds DRS window, that's too much. I know they are trying to make exciting racing but this may get too artificial, I'm afraid.
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https://www.touringcartimes.com/2019...inal-bmw-seat/

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Who can explain where do they shift diffuser leading edge? They are talking about 870 mm (?!) but in which direction? Only forward I think, as 870 (?!) backwards would be impossible by my calculations. Still this will move aero loads backwards as they almost eliminate splitter.
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Besides, if they really use very long diffuser then it's a straight quote from ITC times I believe. At least Alfa used a very long diffuser started almost from the front doors, as far as I understand.
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Sheldon van der Linde is a great addition to BMW and DTM. I understand that BMW's squad is full, meaning there's no customer team, which is a shame.
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Sheldon van der Linde is a great addition to BMW and DTM. I understand that BMW's squad is full, meaning there's no customer team, which is a shame.

BMW can't seem to find a customer for their cars. There were rumours about Motopark using the capacities they originally assigned for a potential F3 campaign, but nothing came of it. Even with the series trying to lower costs, it's still not enough for some teams. Plus what GT3 team will want to move from winning in ADAC GT Masters or Blancpain GT to getting their butt handed by the works teams in DTM? It's a slight miracle that WRT is on the grid, but I guess they did get a good offer by Audi, since they've always been good customers. At the moment, it would even be a slight miracle if we get at least one Aston Martin on the grid by Hockenheim.


But I still wonder how DTM can be that expensive. There isn't much travelling involved, since most races are in Western Europe/Germany, where the majority of teams are anyway. There are enough single spec parts in the cars, so costs of spare parts shouldn't be that high. Now I don't know how many people need to be in the pit crews and such, but I presume that's an area where you could still save. But honestly, you can only save that much money. So does it come down to expensive cars in the end? Now I'm all for trying to get your best bang for the buck. But if DTM wants to be above GT3, it should have a package that'll allow for going faster than GT3. But now DTM has their new class one regulations, which makes it hard to switch regs again.
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But if DTM wants to be above GT3, it should have a package that'll allow for going faster than GT3. But now DTM has their new class one regulations, which makes it hard to switch regs again.
The Class one regs are faster than the outgoing DTM regs - and they were faster than GT3 anyway so I don't see what the issue is?
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