Holden Brand Gone!!!

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Ford is very good at bringing a gun to a knife fight too.

The corvette might be faster on the tighter tracks.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Calling that a touring car would be REALLY stretching, it's much closer to a Ferrari or McLaren these days.

It’s been stretching it for nearly twenty years calling the vehicles raced touring cars

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by one five five

It’s been stretching it for nearly twenty years calling the vehicles raced touring cars

So in the name of road relevance the taxis should be brought back?

[Casper]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

So in the name of road relevance the taxis should be brought back?

What has that picture got to do with anything?

[GreenMachine]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Porsche used run with the tourers.

Bring back the RX7 ... and let's see you sort parity on THAT!

[275 GTB-4]

So sad to see a series that has gone close to beyond its remit...and people still want to hold on for parochial reasons...

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Casper

What has that picture got to do with anything?

Because a Toyota Prius is the most common modern day taxi and the V8s were also called "Supertaxis" (for obvious reasons).







The market has now moved on... Therefore if the same logic applies, these should be Supertaxis:

[Juarez Jed]

No Toyota Prius taxis where I live. Plenty of Camry Hybrids.

[S griffin]

I would never have thought of a Prius as a taxi, but I guess whatever makes the requirement of a journey where you live. And most Toyotas have been known to be very reliable

[Casper]

Originally Posted by 275 GTB-4

So sad to see a series that has gone close to beyond its remit...and people still want to hold on for parochial reasons...

Some people do not realse the party is over because the guests have left they being the domestic manufacturers and the four door family car is nearly extinct.

[Terry S]

Holden dealers compo

https://www.msn.com/en-au/money/comp...CID=IE11FREDHP

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Casper

Some people do not realse the party is over because the guests have left they being the domestic manufacturers and the four door family car is nearly extinct.

In that case, sounds like it is time to move the Australian Touring Car Championship title and Bathurst 1000 title to a different series... The best fit is probably TCR Australia, because at least that's touring car racing more or less.

Thoughts?

[Casper]

Thinking.......I polished my crystal ball and it still didn't help.

[S griffin]

Maybe they could run a seperate Bathurst 1000 for a different series to the main one some time in the future

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

In that case, sounds like it is time to move the Australian Touring Car Championship title and Bathurst 1000 title to a different series... The best fit is probably TCR Australia, because at least that's touring car racing more or less.

Thoughts?

Improved production would be better, plenty of high powered production cars out there.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Improved production would be better, plenty of high powered production cars out there.

With Supercars teams involved I suspect development costs would go through the roof!

The engine rules are comparatively free in Improved Production (you only require a standard block from the same manufacturer, everything else is free... pistons, porting, cams... knock yourself out), the aero rules are comparatively free (as long as it fits within the boxes), suspension rules are free (as long as it's the same type and within X mm of the original pickup points)....

The only real heavy-handed restrictions are the maximum 8" rim width (I believe this may have been increased for the higher capacity classes to help heavy V8 Falcadore-type cars be more competitive?) and (I believe) an air restrictor for turbocharged engines IIRC.

It would be very exciting indeed!

[Casper]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

With Supercars teams involved I suspect development costs would go through the roof!

The engine rules are comparatively free in Improved Production (you only require a standard block from the same manufacturer, everything else is free... pistons, porting, cams... knock yourself out), the aero rules are comparatively free (as long as it fits within the boxes), suspension rules are free (as long as it's the same type and within X mm of the original pickup points)....

The only real heavy-handed restrictions are the maximum 8" rim width (I believe this may have been increased for the higher capacity classes to help heavy V8 Falcadore-type cars be more competitive?) and (I believe) an air restrictor for turbocharged engines IIRC.

It would be very exciting indeed!

Sounds like my ideal class....Bring your money with you. Why does everyone think racing should be cheap?

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Casper

Sounds like my ideal class....Bring your money with you. Why does everyone think racing should be cheap?

Showing my age here but Improved Production started as Club Cars and I was around when the initial rules were formed.

The concept was cheap racing for cars that were to be driven to and from track.

Then one guy had one little freedom he wanted for his car and it was allowed, then the next one, etc

20 something years later we have basically Sports Sedans with more metal, and someone is spending Supercar money to build one.

[Casper]

A story from series prod days. A well known driver who went on to win the ATCC put a motor in his car and we all piled into the back seat to give it some traction on the rollers during the power runs and it was well down on what was expected. He took the car away and when it was next on the rollers the power was better than expected so some trade plates were put on it and it was taken for a mild thrashing to run it in. I heard later that it took quite some work and effort to make it legal before it was sold.

I have yet to see any motor racing class where money did not count and that did not get more expensive as time went on.

[Armco Bender]

Local Holden dealer has changed brands to Hyundai just saying.

[Sandgroper]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Local Holden dealer has changed brands to Hyundai just saying.

Sigh !!!!

[Mixer]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

Local Holden dealer has changed brands to Hyundai just saying.

I reckon you would have to be happy if you were able to make that transition, I am not sure too many will.

MG might be looking for dealers though....

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[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Sandgroper

Sigh !!!!

Hyundai are making the cars people want, and Holden not (or any at all for that matter).



[ Although the below are the kinds of cars that people actually buy -- it would be most curious if annual sales of Hyundai Palisade in Australia exceed annual Holden Acadia sales in Australia... ]

[Matt K]

Hyundai could be a good addition, the same as Kia for example, think of Stinger.

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Matt K

Hyundai could be a good addition, the same as Kia for example, think of Stinger.

Unlikely you would see both enter, it would be one brand or the other