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26 Feb 2023, 11:50 (Ref:4144974) | #1326 | |
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Mate there's no argument that supercars haven't achieved parity in spite of what they were saying previously.
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27 Feb 2023, 09:58 (Ref:4145060) | #1327 | |||
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Something of a poor attitude from 888 Race Engineering, given ensuring their Camaro does not have any undue advantage of any kind should be their top priority...
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https://autoaction.com.au/2023/02/25...-parity-stoush What a horrid, horrid attitude. The idea that Ford Performance should sign off on a vehicle that has a disadvantage is both preposterous and insulting. Those are disgraceful comments from Whincup, whose number one priority should be and must be the Camaro not having any undue advantage over the rival vehicle of any kind. After all, the only reason Ford Performance are voicing concerns is because "Aero testing was last October or November" did not reliably and conclusively establish 100% equivalence of the vehicles (or a slight advantage to their Mustang which they would likely to be happy to "sign off on" -- which is suspicious of what the Camaro side might very well be happy with...). Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 27 Feb 2023 at 10:14. |
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27 Feb 2023, 10:18 (Ref:4145061) | #1328 | |
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I agree with Dutton.
They've already run a successful VCAT. With time and resources so short, there's no need to run it again. Surely the results will be the same, so why bother? After all, it's only Ford having a sook. Let one of the many manufacturers waiting in the wings have their spot |
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No. The process and result was observed by Ford Performance and deemed unacceptable. The VCAT was therefore unsuccessful.
Pray tell why would Ford Performance complain about a VCAT where their vehicle was found to have a slight advantage or be equal? It would make no sense for them to do so... The only logical conclusion therefore is that the Mustang was found to be at a disadvantage or that it was inconclusive that the Mustang had no disadvantage due to unreliable data, which FP logically deemed unacceptable yet ATCC organisers bizarrely deemed acceptable. Quote:
I assume satire, given Ford Performance is the only manufacturer competing in the series where Chevrolet Racing is not actually involved in a funding capacity. Satire would also explain the comment about the earlier VCAT being a success, despite the bellow, too. Quote:
Only two valid runs sounds like far from a success. It's almost like having a wind tunnel with precisely controlled air flow is very useful... Last edited by V8 Fireworks; 27 Feb 2023 at 10:51. |
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27 Feb 2023, 13:02 (Ref:4145075) | #1330 | |||
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Adrian Burgess and Tim Edwards both did, and Walkinshaw Andretti United boasts the CEO of Mclaren as an owner, you presume to know more than any of those guys do? You mental cases think with this "GM biased" series that Ryan Walkinshaw would convince Michael Andretti and Zak Brown that they should leave the corrupt GM cabal to run a Ford? Or that DJR, Tickford are complicit in all of thjs? Supercars is 100% run by committee and Ford teams have the same amount of representation as GM does. Rushbrook isn't happy until his team has an actual advantage, and that's his job. But given the form of 2019 his words have to be taken with a grain of salt. None of you have any of the data yet the backdoor trial by media to plant the seed that Ford has a disadvantage is already done. Just making excuses for when SVG wipes the floor with them maybe? As happened the last 2 years since Penske left. DJR and Tickford can't take a step without stepping on their own dicks. Both literally threw away winning positions in races last year, where Shane would salvage points from a losing position. That is how you win championships. Grove shows speed one weekend in 10. Walkinshaw could be the best Ford team. Maybe after a long time in the wilderness they can peak again. |
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27 Feb 2023, 22:15 (Ref:4145173) | #1331 | |
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I don't believe there's a GM bias.
I believe the VCAT is next to useless and the stubborn refusal from the series to move on is the problem. It leads to doubt, and whilst there is definitely some gamesmanship going on, it only gains traction because of the doubt. And yes, the Ford teams are rubbish, which makes reliable testing all the more important - when SVG wins the first 6 races, all people will talk about is the preseason parity controversy, regardless of the fact he probably is the fastest. That's not what anyone wants |
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28 Feb 2023, 01:09 (Ref:4145181) | #1333 | ||
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Hopefully the two new vehicles are 100% equivalent! Given pole position can be decided by 0.05s/lap, it is quite critical that the variation between the two vehicles is <0.025s/lap. |
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28 Feb 2023, 01:39 (Ref:4145182) | #1334 | |||
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No parity changes into 2021 and 2022 - just Scotty Mac and Penske money gone. SVG isn't necessarily faster than anybody - he is just faster more regularly than anybody else. All of Anton, Will, Cam, even Dave Reynolds can show race winning speed but they don't do it often enough or regularly enough to deserve to win a championship. DJR and Tickford are famous for pit stop or strategy clangers that throw away wins their drivers put them in a place to win. This parity crap is just desperately clutching at straws. |
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28 Feb 2023, 02:35 (Ref:4145187) | #1335 | ||
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If the head of Ford could see a difference in parity back in November, why has it taken Supercars so long to sort out? There is obviously differences between the two cars, how can they be signed off when there is too great of a difference... Supercars has alot to answer with these issues and it makes the series look amature... |
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28 Feb 2023, 13:56 (Ref:4145258) | #1338 | |
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Scott is a real talent. He got the breaks and made the most of it, plus made sure he took advantage of things that came his way
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1 Mar 2023, 06:00 (Ref:4145334) | #1339 | |
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Ladies and gentlemen, Roland "dirty laundry" Dane -
https://www.speedcafe.com/2023/03/01...cars-test-day/ |
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1 Mar 2023, 09:44 (Ref:4145358) | #1341 | |
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Worrying! The first round of supercars is not showing up on my tv guide and is not listed on the bt sport website. Does anyone know if it is definitely being shown in the UK this year?
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1 Mar 2023, 09:57 (Ref:4145360) | #1342 | |
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I guess British TV doesn't care much about the series. BT Sport like to pick and choose it's sport. Can't see anywhere it's being shown here
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1 Mar 2023, 18:18 (Ref:4145420) | #1343 | |
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He's right of course, I just found his comments a bit rich after his rant about airing dirty laundry in public recently.
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1 Mar 2023, 18:59 (Ref:4145426) | #1345 | |
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How did they do it the previous time? I mean it's not the first time they introduce new cars.
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1 Mar 2023, 22:58 (Ref:4145453) | #1346 | |||
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No parity changes since mid-2019. Testing the cars without minimum weights and allowing some teams to run super soft tyres while Fords deliberately ran around on shagged hards is just stupid. But it was a test day and we won't know the true performance until Q1 in Newcastle. Note that the senior engineers of DJR, Tickford, Grove and WAU are all silent on the matter of parity. They know what they have under them and they are happy after the engine map was sorted out. For those who want BoP rather than technical parity: https://www.motorsport.com/imsa/news...btPHgvwtMqXPtI |
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2 Mar 2023, 23:46 (Ref:4145540) | #1348 | |||
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It would seem progress is made in terms of whatever Ford didn't like in the VCAT numbers - but no numbers of anything on the aero side being changed
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3 Mar 2023, 02:02 (Ref:4145548) | #1349 | |||
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The straight line should be easy to compare, just take the straight line data from the telemetry of both vehicles (on a flat level surface like a runway) and overlay it. Is the speed trace, including gear changes, from 80km/hr to 260km/hr exactly the same or not? Not rocket science! |
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3 Mar 2023, 05:08 (Ref:4145558) | #1350 | |
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Progress on Supercars aero parity
The re-run of Supercars aerodynamic testing has yielded progress in terms of parity, Motorsport.com has learned. https://www.motorsport.com/v8superca...rity/10438166/ |
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