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Old 4 Jun 2008, 08:27 (Ref:2219430)   #51
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KA - Do you know the date of the race?
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Old 4 Jun 2008, 16:01 (Ref:2219749)   #52
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KA - Do you know the date of the race?
It was 1987 and wet, that I can say for certain.
Also, [OFF TOPIC - sorry!] the race was lead by Win Percy, by a country mile in Graham Goode's Cosworth until the differential broke on the lap he was due to come in for the driver change. AND, Win started the race on slicks but I'm sure everyone else was on wets!
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Old 4 Jun 2008, 16:12 (Ref:2219756)   #53
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The pics don't look wet as such but then if it was an hour it could have changed. Do any of these Corollas still exist? I've seen quite a few ex-works rally ones for sale recently.

Anyway, someone out there must know the date!!

Slightly O/T but this was the pneultimate Touring Car race Dad did, the last being in 1989 in an M3 but that's for another history thread one day!!
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Old 4 Jun 2008, 20:49 (Ref:2219962)   #54
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The race was mid September IIRC, race started wet? We'll get the date nailed soon!!

Yes the likes of Percy, Allam and a few other well knows saloon experts paired up with season regulars but it was a fairly remarkable result for Newman/Speak, Rob was IIRC particularly impressive in his stint when conditions were a drying out and managed to stay well ahead.
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The quality isn't up to much, but a couple more pics of the GK-S Corolla, this time from the following season 1988- these are at Donington, late season. The car's had a change of colourscheme, now overall plain white, and a change of sponsor- Hot Chip Vending (definitely one of the more unusual BTCC sponsors!) has been replaced by Fotofanatics

First pic doesn't give a great view of the GK-S car, but does show the Tony Crudgington Corolla as well (blurred blue and white car exiting stage left)- I thought I had a decent shot of Crudgington's car somewhere but can't find it at the minute.

Second pic shows Kimber-Smith and one of the Class C Golfs
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Here's a picture of my Group A Corolla during it's first Bathurst appearance, the 1986 James Hardie 1000. It was built by Bob Holden from a standard road car for customers Keith McCleland & Brian Nightingale.
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does anybody have the detailed race placings for the BTCC rounds over the 1987-89 period???> I'm trying to fill in missing driver/placing info for the ex needell/dowsett/TOMS front drive corolla I have. I have got some info already and am happy to send this to anyone who might be able to help via old programs/magazines etc. thanks a lot. Terry
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Old 20 Jul 2008, 07:22 (Ref:2254294)   #58
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Terry- I've definitely got some of these, as I've been trying to compile results for those years myself. I don't have time to post them now as I'm about to go out, but if you either post or PM what you're looking for, I'll get back to you with them tonight
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Does anyone have a resonable pic of Chris Hodgetts Corolla AE86 then?
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Does anyone have a resonable pic of Chris Hodgetts Corolla AE86 then?
I've got a couple of pics, though the quality is pretty poor- If I get a chance, I'll post them later.
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A sad footnote to the Chris Hodgetts AE86 Corolla discussion was the death of Jim Whitehouse a couple of weeks ago. Although Jim's main claim to fame was the famous Arden 8 port A-series, he also did the CHMS engines in the AE86... and few will dispute the strength of those motors.

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I believe he also was responsible for the 2.8 Celica Supra engines that Win Percy and Barry Sheene ran in the mid 80's?
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Just to keep things ticking over- from http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr , a selection of Corollas at Dijon and Spa.

The red CHMS car we saw earlier- this time on WTCC duty at Dijon '87- Alex Moss/Mark Jennings I think
http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr/dijo...gra87%2092.jpg
Another Dijon Corolla- think this might be the Charouz car if I can make out the nationality flags on the door?
http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr/dijo...ra87%20112.jpg
..and one of the Belgian Fina cars
http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr/dijo...ra87%20104.jpg

Dijon '88- Charouz/Marlboro
http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr/dijo...jongra0026.jpg

Spa '87- the Japanese TOM'S/Leyton House car- one of the nicest Corolla liveries...
http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr/spa87/spa87114%202.jpg
..and the fwd TOM'S GB car
http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr/spa87/spa87%20113.jpg

and finally Spa '88- fwd again for TOM'S
http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr/spa8...%20139%204.jpg
and a selection of AE86s
http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr/spa88/spa88%20144.jpg
http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr/spa88/spa88%20151.jpg
http://lemansmotorsport.free.fr/spa88/spa88%20149.jpg

I'll post some of my own from the 1986 and 1988 TT later, probably tomorrow- the quality isn't a patch on these, but they include a couple of cars we haven't seen pics of so far

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I believe he also was responsible for the 2.8 Celica Supra engines that Win Percy and Barry Sheene ran in the mid 80's?
I'm pretty sure you're right- it definitely rings a bell with me
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In the June/Juli issue of the DTM Magazin there was a story about "forgotten" cars of the DTM like Fiat Ritmo, MG Metro Turbo, VW Golf or Mercedes 380 SLC. One of the cars presented was a Toyota Corolla which one Hermann Tilke drove at Zolder in 1987. It is the car he also raced in the ETCC.


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In the June/Juli issue of the DTM Magazin there was a story about "forgotten" cars of the DTM like Fiat Ritmo, MG Metro Turbo, VW Golf or Mercedes 380 SLC. One of the cars presented was a Toyota Corolla which one Hermann Tilke drove at Zolder in 1987. It is the car he also raced in the ETCC.

We talked about Tilke's Corolla exploits earlier in the thread, so it's good to have a pic as well

That DTM Magazine story sounds very interesting- I know we discussed the Metro Turbo's DTM appearances in another thread a while back
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I found a couple of pics of Chris Hodgetts CHMS car.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-09-28-114.jpg

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http://www.driftworks.com/forum/676647-post1877.html

As a few of you know, I help run Speedhunters.com, and need to educate some of the drift boys that the Corolla was winning BTCC championships, years before they were born LOL!
If you have a better pic(s) PM me. I'll post more if I find them. Its hard finding them, even as Mr Hodgetts himself!

BTW- We have just found some cracking shots of the Fina AE86 which won Spa, so when that gets published, I'll post the pictures here.
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I found a couple of pics of Chris Hodgetts CHMS car.

http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-09-28-114.jpg

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http://www.driftworks.com/forum/676647-post1877.html

As a few of you know, I help run Speedhunters.com, and need to educate some of the drift boys that the Corolla was winning BTCC championships, years before they were born LOL!
If you have a better pic(s) PM me. I'll post more if I find them. Its hard finding them, even as Mr Hodgetts himself!

BTW- We have just found some cracking shots of the Fina AE86 which won Spa, so when that gets published, I'll post the pictures here.
Unfortunately I didn't have a particularly good camera at the time, so the pics I was taking as a teenager in 86/87 weren't up to much- not as good as those you've found.

I've got a shot of Hodgetts having a bit of a rallycrossing excursion in the white car at the '86 TT, and one of the red Demon Tweeks car at the same event, plus a couple of shots from the '88 TT- including one of a GREEN CHMS car- sponsorship I think was from a company called 'Mezzanine', and Patrick Watts was one of the drivers as I recall- got a vague memory that 'Mezzanine' had sponsored him in Honda CRXs.

It's an awful pic, but I don't think I've seen another of the car in those colours on the web, unless one's turned up on Racingsportscars.com since I looked last. I'll see if it's salvageable

Couple of other nice Group A pic on that 'Driftworks' thread as well- Datapost Escort and Starion...
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Yes, I think Mezzanine was associated with Watts for a while. Then they formed some relationship with Edenbridge racing (maybe they ran Watts in the CRX?) around the time Olly Gavin was racing in F3. Mezzanine seemd to appear on all Edenbridge cars after that.
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Photo quality isn't up to much, but a few 1986 TT pics- both of the CHMS cars, the white Hodgetts car indulging in a bit of an off-track moment, and the red Minshaw car- we've seen a couple of pics of this one already in 1987 guide, but here it is in full Demon Tweeks colours.

The plain red car is the German (Swiss?) Lingmann/Holzl entry
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1988 Silverstone TT.

The Fina car isn't one of the Belgian Fina team, but Stig Gruen's Swedish car- he appeared a few times in the ETCC that year, with Fina backing at Spa and Silverstone I believe- note he's running the hatchback version, rather than the 2-door favoured by the Belgians.

The plain white car is the CHMS car of Hodgetts, Colin Pearcy and Geoff Kimber-Smith. Sponsor was a company called 'Smith and Latimer' or something like that.

The green one is also CHMS, as mentioned a couple of posts back- I've cropped it out of the original photo and posted separately for a closer look. Hodgetts (cross-entered in both cars, but don't know which he actually raced- his new Brooklyn RS500 was entered I think but not ready in time), Patrick Watts and Harrison- anyone know a Christian name for him, as I don't have my race programme to hand


The fwd TOM'S GB car of Phil Dowsett/Tiff Needell which we've already talked about several times probably needs no introduction...They won the class here from one of the Belgian Fina cars with one of the Charouz/Marlboro team in 3rd. Gruen/Hoyer were 5th, the CHMS/Mezzanine car 6th and the Pearcy car 7th
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Yes, I think Mezzanine was associated with Watts for a while. Then they formed some relationship with Edenbridge racing (maybe they ran Watts in the CRX?) around the time Olly Gavin was racing in F3. Mezzanine seemd to appear on all Edenbridge cars after that.
I was trying to think who ran Watts in CRXs- yes, I'm sure you're right about it being Edenbridge
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The plain white car is the CHMS car of Hodgetts, Colin Pearcy and Geoff Kimber-Smith. Sponsor was a company called 'Smith and Latimer' or something like that.
I think the white car belonged to Geoff Kimber-Smith and Smith and Latimer were Colin Pearcy's company, builders. IIRC the Smith bit is from Doug Smith (of MG Motorsport) and Latimer was Colins wifes maiden name. The company is still about but Colin left about 2 years ago to set up a new property company, originally called Colin Pearcy Developments!!

Anyway I digress, but a little bit of background......
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I think the white car belonged to Geoff Kimber-Smith and Smith and Latimer were Colin Pearcy's company, builders. IIRC the Smith bit is from Doug Smith (of MG Motorsport) and Latimer was Colins wifes maiden name. The company is still about but Colin left about 2 years ago to set up a new property company, originally called Colin Pearcy Developments!!

Anyway I digress, but a little bit of background......
Thanks Gregor- I knew the company name rang a bell but wasn't sure where from. The results as listed on Frank de Jong's site
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...lverstone.html
certainly list it as a CHMS entry, but as you say, it could easily be GK-S's car entered under the CHMS banner. Looking at those results, it suggests Chris raced this one rather than the green 'Mezzanine' car.

I wonder how many Corollas Chris had? Think there were originally two built for 1986, the white Toyota GB car and the red Demon Tweeks one, but given the amount of ETCC/WTCC races they appeared at in 87/8, I'm guessing that at least couple more cars were built along the way.
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Thanks Gregor- I knew the company name rang a bell but wasn't sure where from. The results as listed on Frank de Jong's site
http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...lverstone.html
certainly list it as a CHMS entry, but as you say, it could easily be GK-S's car entered under the CHMS banner. Looking at those results, it suggests Chris raced this one rather than the green 'Mezzanine' car.

I wonder how many Corollas Chris had? Think there were originally two built for 1986, the white Toyota GB car and the red Demon Tweeks one, but given the amount of ETCC/WTCC races they appeared at in 87/8, I'm guessing that at least couple more cars were built along the way.
I'm fairly sure it's Geoff's as he definitely had a white one which I remember Dad testing/racing at Snetterton after it had just been painted in a pearlescent white and I'm sure it had been white before but maybe not then.

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