[VASC19R25] SuperCheap Auto Bathurst 1000, Mount Panorama 10-13th October (WITH POLL) - Page 35

**GTRMagic** · 10 Nov 2019, 00:57 (Ref:3939581)

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Originally Posted by chavez

Illegal qualifying engine.

Important difference, unless your view is that they should be disqualified from the race meeting - which could be reasonably argued.

Had it not been plucked out before the race, it was set to be the race engine...

Forda · 10 Nov 2019, 01:07 (Ref:3939583)

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Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Had it not been plucked out before the race, it was set to be the race engine...

Was it?

"Following the Top Ten Shootout, DJRTP requested and received the HoM’s approval to change the Q Engine in Car #17 because the observed water pressure in the Q Engine was abnormally high according to telemetry which is independently monitored by Supercars. As a result, the Q Engine was not used in Race 25."

https://www.speedcafe.com/2019/11/10...engine-breach/

chavez · 10 Nov 2019, 01:08 (Ref:3939584)

Quote:

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Had it not been plucked out before the race, it was set to be the race engine...

And if my Aunty had.........you know the rest.

bluesport · 10 Nov 2019, 01:12 (Ref:3939585)

The holden bias in supercars continues, why does this not surprise me after all the parity benefits that holden received?

Mixer · 10 Nov 2019, 01:37 (Ref:3939589)

How convenient.

Very obvious now that the series has no balls. You can knowingly hide information that prejudices a race result and nowt happens.

bloggs · 10 Nov 2019, 02:01 (Ref:3939593)

Does any other team use Mostech engines?

**GTRMagic** · 10 Nov 2019, 02:02 (Ref:3939594)

**GTRMagic** · 10 Nov 2019, 02:03 (Ref:3939595)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bloggs

Does any other team use Mostech engines?

Not in the main game

**GTRMagic** · 10 Nov 2019, 02:08 (Ref:3939596)

DJRTP Dont Intend To Appeal

bloggs · 10 Nov 2019, 02:09 (Ref:3939597)

I would have thought a $130k or more engine would be made to the highest of tolerances using CNC machining etc. Are they sealed at Mostech? Are team members present to watch motor being assembled? If not, how is it the teams fault?

Tourer · 10 Nov 2019, 02:15 (Ref:3939598)

Have to say that it feels like a really soft penalty - not good for the sport in my personal view - teams need to be deterred from using fat engines and knowing they can escape with a minor penalty having put themselves in a strong position for the biggest race in the country.

Gaz170 · 10 Nov 2019, 02:42 (Ref:3939602)

Just seems weird though that all the cylinders that were out were at the front of the engine, near the water pump where they complained of high water pressure.

My suspicious mind thinks this may have been allowed normally but CAMS took the opportunity to sink the boot into DJRTP again over Bathurst.

Mixer · 10 Nov 2019, 02:46 (Ref:3939603)

Regardless of the cause and benefit or lack thereof, this is the second time the team has presented a car in a session, knowingly breaking the rules, and knowingly and deliberately hiding the fact until after the matter, by which they gained an advantage. Both times no effective penalty has been served. Scott just has to finish today to wrap up the series win so this penalty is a paper tiger.

Maggo · 10 Nov 2019, 02:52 (Ref:3939604)

I'm a Ford guy but I think a DQ for car #17 would have been the right decision. You should not be able to buy a victory

M91 · 10 Nov 2019, 03:01 (Ref:3939607)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mixer

Regardless of the cause and benefit or lack thereof, this is the second time the team has presented a car in a session, knowingly breaking the rules, and knowingly and deliberately hiding the fact until after the matter, by which they gained an advantage. Both times no effective penalty has been served. Scott just has to finish today to wrap up the series win so this penalty is a paper tiger.

What advantage did they gain?

Mixer · 10 Nov 2019, 03:57 (Ref:3939612)

Quote:

Originally Posted by M91

What advantage did they gain?

In both instances they kept their qualifying position when they were both subsequently disqualified from.

xrystl · 10 Nov 2019, 04:03 (Ref:3939615)

Quote:

Originally Posted by M91

What advantage did they gain?

IMHO it would be a detriment if anything as it isn't across all of the valves and the extra lift is that minor that it would almost be impossible to measure, it could be no more than extra expansion from extra heat from whatever problem that they were experiencing requiring the engine change.

Gaz170 · 10 Nov 2019, 04:06 (Ref:3939617)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mixer

Regardless of the cause and benefit or lack thereof, this is the second time the team has presented a car in a session, knowingly breaking the rules, and knowingly and deliberately hiding the fact until after the matter, by which they gained an advantage. Both times no effective penalty has been served. Scott just has to finish today to wrap up the series win so this penalty is a paper tiger.

Where did they knowingly present an illegal car at Bathurst? The engine was changed because they believed it could fail during the race, and they believed it was correct when they got it from the engine builders.

Agree it's not a good look for the team and they have to be extra careful from now on.

Jack65 · 10 Nov 2019, 04:41 (Ref:3939621)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaz170

The engine was changed because they believed it could fail during the race, and they believed it was correct when they got it from the engine builders.

Believe that and you'll believe anything.

dsg · 10 Nov 2019, 06:12 (Ref:3939636)

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Originally Posted by Speedy400

Have I missed anything?

2019 Bathurst winner
2019 Touring Car Champion
2019 Teams Championship leader.

M91 · 10 Nov 2019, 06:21 (Ref:3939637)

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Originally Posted by Jack65

Believe that and you'll believe anything.

Why should you not believe it, Supercars data also showed the issue that led to the engine change.

HDTVKSS · 10 Nov 2019, 07:37 (Ref:3939643)

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Originally Posted by dsg

2019 Bathurst winner
2019 Touring Car Champion
2019 Teams Championship leader.

2019 pay your way out of trouble winner
2019 it’s only cheating if you get caught champ
2019 didn’t qualify for Bathurst but won it anyways winner.

JAFA851 · 10 Nov 2019, 07:39 (Ref:3939644)

Is DJRTP the new spelling for the word cheat? Same number of letters.....

How many other times this year ( and last ) have they been running cars outside the rules that haven't been picked up? Plenty of times I'd guess. Disgraceful performance, they have gotten away far too lightly, even more so as repeat offenders. And they'll keep doing it because the consequences are meaningless to them. Time for Supercars to harden up and get real with the penalities and dq's.

HDTVKSS · 10 Nov 2019, 07:42 (Ref:3939645)

I bet that engine looked amazing on a dyno but may have had a question mark over it and they choose to run it anyways then later the water pump issues showed. Convenient.

Fabs should be ****ed, he doesn’t even get the cheater engines when hes getting thrown under the bus.

Maybe the debris was in the valve springs?

bluesport · 10 Nov 2019, 07:57 (Ref:3939647)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HDTVKSS

2019 pay your way out of trouble winner
2019 it’s only cheating if you get caught champ
2019 didn’t qualify for Bathurst but won it anyways winner.

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View Poll Results: Who will win Bathurst in 2019
#2 Pye/Luff WAU Mobil1 Holden	1	1.89%
#3 Jacobson/Fiore KR Rabble Nissan	0	0%
#5 Holdsworth/Randle Tickford Bottle O Ford	0	0%
#6 Waters/Caruso Tickford Monster Energy Ford	0	0%
#7 Heimgartner/Fullwood KR Plus Fitness Nissan	1	1.89%
#8 Percat/Blanchard BJR BJR Holden	0	0%
#9 Reynolds/Youlden Erebus Penrite Holden	5	9.43%
#12 Coulthard/D'Alberto DJRTP Shell Ford	0	0%
#14 Slade/Walsh BJR Freightliner Holden	0	0%
#15 Kelly/Wood KR Castrol Nissan	0	0%
#17 McLaughlin/Premat DJRTP Shell Ford	12	22.64%
#18 Winterbottom/Richards Team18 Irwin Holden	0	0%
#19 LeBrocq/Webb Tekno Truck Assist Holden	0	0%
#21 Jones/Canto BJR CoolDrive Holden	1	1.89%
#22 Courtney/Perkins WAU Mobil1 Holden	0	0%
#23 Davison/Davison 23Red Milwaulkee Ford	1	1.89%
#27 Hinchcliffe/Rossi WAU Napa Auto Parts Holden	0	0%
#33 Stanaway/Pither GRM Boost Mobile Holden	1	1.89%
#34 Golding/Muscat GRM Boost Mobile Holden	0	0%
#35 Hazelwood/Smith MSR SP Tools Holden	1	1.89%
#55 Mostert/Moffat Tickford SuperCheap Auto Ford	2	3.77%
#56 Kostecki/Kostecki KBR Boost Mobile Holden	0	0%
#78 de Silvestro/Rullo KR Harvey Norman Nissan	1	1.89%
#97 Van Gisbergen/Tander RBHRT Red Bull Holden	14	26.42%
#99 de Pasquale/Brown Erebus Penrite Holden	1	1.89%
#111 Evans/Van Der Drift TKR TKR Holden (SCRATCHED)	2	3.77%
#888 Whincup/Lowndes RBHRT Red Bull Holden	10	18.87%
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