V8SC Wildcard entries

[Nicholosophy]

Reading a report this morning (http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/03/04/...lan-abandoned/) that Murph was planning to run in a wildcard entry at Pukekohe but it's been abandoned. It's a shame but totally understandable.

It got me thinking though. It'd be nice to see some different cars out there from time to time. If there were some people who could get a one or two race package together with sponsors and a car, would you be for or against wildcard entries at certain rounds?

For example, in Texas Marcos Ambrose could jump in a wildcard entry for the weekend.

It might not be suitable at all tracks, and it should be up to V8SC to judge the ability of a wildcard entrant to participate before giving the green light. What are your thoughts?

[racer69]

Originally Posted by NickoGP

Reading a report this morning (http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/03/04/...lan-abandoned/) that Murph was planning to run in a wildcard entry at Pukekohe but it's been abandoned. It's a shame but totally understandable.

It got me thinking though. It'd be nice to see some different cars out there from time to time. If there were some people who could get a one or two race package together with sponsors and a car, would you be for or against wildcard entries at certain rounds?

For example, in Texas Marcos Ambrose could jump in a wildcard entry for the weekend.

It might not be suitable at all tracks, and it should be up to V8SC to judge the ability of a wildcard entrant to participate before giving the green light. What are your thoughts?

From memory something along those lines was written into the rules circa 2010 (after Ambrose was not allowed a start at the 2009 Sydney 500 as a wildcard entry wasn't in the rules at the time)

Would be great to see more cars on the grid at tracks that can handle them. A pity the Murphy/Pukekohe deal didn't happen considering his success there previously and his popularity, but not surprising considering the newness of the cars

[Scrut]

At the present time there are not alot of spare COTF chassis's for wildcard entries to jump into for selected events.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Scrut

At the present time there are not alot of spare COTF chassis's for wildcard entries to jump into for selected events.

There will be... Nismo were planning on knocking up 2 additional, spare Altima chassis this year, while 888 already have their 2 spares.. WP were in build to nail together a new chassis for Mr Ingall, to allow his current chassis to be the spare..

The Benz boys & girls have their former FG in the shed, capable of becoming a Benz at a few days notice...

FPR was said to be building another caged 'shell' just in case...

[puma]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

There will be... Nismo were planning on knocking up 2 additional, spare Altima chassis this year, while 888 already have their 2 spares.. WP were in build to nail together a new chassis for Mr Ingall, to allow his current chassis to be the spare..

The Benz boys & girls have their former FG in the shed, capable of becoming a Benz at a few days notice...

FPR was said to be building another caged 'shell' just in case...

this begs the question ??
all teams are allocated a certain amount of tyres .
& engines etc
but
what about very well funded & well conected teams
having brand new
shells ready for bathurst etc
while many other teams will only have
crashed , patched up & worn out old chassis
towards the end of the season ??

maybe a chassis / bodyshell could be classed as
a "consumable" just like brake pads
that wear out !!

[Chatters]

Originally Posted by puma

this begs the question ??
all teams are allocated a certain amount of tyres .
& engines etc
but
what about very well funded & well conected teams
having brand new
shells ready for bathurst etc
while many other teams will only have
crashed , patched up & worn out old chassis
towards the end of the season ??

maybe a chassis / bodyshell could be classed as
a "consumable" just like brake pads
that wear out !!

The idea behind COTF (apart from updating technologies, safety etc) was to cut the costs of building a V8 Supercar from scratch.

So if, for example, it costs $250,000 to build a COTF chassis, compared to $500,000 for a 2012-spec chassis, it's somewhat understandable for a team to be churning out more than a couple of extra new toys for themselves and others? When will the Dunlop Series be switching to COTF cars?

[Bell_End]

Will we see 888 ask for a wild card for Stoner at the enduros?

[Axeman444]

hate to say it to Mr Murphy, but the maximum number of competitors at all rounds outside of Sandown & Bathurst is 28, as per the V8SC Ops Manual, with 6 Wild cards available for Sandown & Bathurst (ie any DVS or otherwise entrant can not do the full "Endurance" trophy).

So regardless of money/time/chassis quantity, he couldn't have done it, unless another team folded prior.

But he won't let that get in the way of a good story

[Bell_End]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

hate to say it to Mr Murphy, but the maximum number of competitors at all rounds outside of Sandown & Bathurst is 28, as per the V8SC Ops Manual, with 6 Wild cards available for Sandown & Bathurst (ie any DVS or otherwise entrant can not do the full "Endurance" trophy).

So regardless of money/time/chassis quantity, he couldn't have done it, unless another team folded prior.

But he won't let that get in the way of a good story

I pretty sure your wrong on Wildcards only allowed for the enduro rounds, I believe the wording also includes "signature" events now, and no doubt the only NZ round could be classified as a "signature" event if Murphy had all his ducks (or should that be kiwis) lined up and a car ready according to Archer. Murphy was involved in the clispal challenge in Adelaide and still got quiet a cheer from fans in the stand so I have no doubt it would of help with crowd numbers in NZ.

[Axeman444]

Originally Posted by Bell_End

I pretty sure your wrong on Wildcards only allowed for the enduro rounds, I believe the wording also includes "signature" events now, and no doubt the only NZ round could be classified as a "signature" event if Murphy had all his ducks (or should that be kiwis) lined up and a car ready according to Archer. Murphy was involved in the clispal challenge in Adelaide and still got quiet a cheer from fans in the stand so I have no doubt it would of help with crowd numbers in NZ.

Believe what you want, I'm reading and quoting from the manual, not guessing.

Ops Manual Div A Administration rules, pg 21, Sch A4 "VCS Entry Criteria" is a table of rounds. It shows maximum number of entries as being 28, except Sandown & Bathurst, where it shows 6 "Wild Card" entries are available, "allocated subject to V8 Supercars board approval". It also mentions "If cars eligible for entry do not attend, V8 Supercars reserves the right to nominate acceptable replacements". If you do a search these are the only references to "Wild Card" for non-DVS cars, and there is no mention of "Signature" in the entire document.

[GTRMagic]

If TC was still in the building, Mr Murphy would be a walk up start for a Pukekohe wildcard

[Umai Naa]

Given the supposed lack of cash within V8SC, you'd think anyone keen enough to stump up the entry fee, would be allowed to play at this point.

[Bell_End]

Originally Posted by Axeman444

Believe what you want, I'm reading and quoting from the manual, not guessing.

Ops Manual Div A Administration rules, pg 21, Sch A4 "VCS Entry Criteria" is a table of rounds. It shows maximum number of entries as being 28, except Sandown & Bathurst, where it shows 6 "Wild Card" entries are available, "allocated subject to V8 Supercars board approval". It also mentions "If cars eligible for entry do not attend, V8 Supercars reserves the right to nominate acceptable replacements". If you do a search these are the only references to "Wild Card" for non-DVS cars, and there is no mention of "Signature" in the entire document.

I will believe what I want, thanks for playing

[one five five]

Originally Posted by Chatters

The idea behind COTF (apart from updating technologies, safety etc) was to cut the costs of building a V8 Supercar from scratch.

So if, for example, it costs $250,000 to build a COTF chassis, compared to $500,000 for a 2012-spec chassis, it's somewhat understandable for a team to be churning out more than a couple of extra new toys for themselves and others? When will the Dunlop Series be switching to COTF cars?

Problem is that the CotF, at least initially, did not cut the costs