Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Classic Cars Monthly Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Historic Racing & Motorsport History > Historic Racing Today

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 27 Apr 2021, 11:41 (Ref:4048071)   #51
john ruston
The Scarlet Pimpernel
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location:
Retired roaming
Posts: 5,274
john ruston has a real shot at the podium!john ruston has a real shot at the podium!john ruston has a real shot at the podium!john ruston has a real shot at the podium!
Wonder what capacity the engine was ?
john ruston is offline  
Quote
Old 27 Apr 2021, 18:43 (Ref:4048144)   #52
MartinH
Racer
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Luxembourg
Luxembourg
Posts: 121
MartinH should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
I do not comment too often nowadays as no one seems to react to my posts, but on this occasion l feel compelled to say that Werner wad obviousy much quicker than Alesi, but had no way to overtake unless there was a mistake from Alesi, which appeared to happen. Werner was so close, as is his right & as Alesi slowed for whatever reason, Werner made contact & lifted the rear of the Ferrari, causing the loss of control & then contact with the wall.
In period, this would be regarded as one of those things - now called a racing incedent - & no action would have been taken.
It should stay that way & Werner should have been awarded, or rather kept the win.

Applying the modern analysis is killing historic racing, just like it has killed all modern racing ; please don't go there.

My opinion ; please reply or ignore as you see fit.
MartinH
MartinH is offline  
Quote
Old 27 Apr 2021, 19:00 (Ref:4048147)   #53
john ruston
The Scarlet Pimpernel
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location:
Retired roaming
Posts: 5,274
john ruston has a real shot at the podium!john ruston has a real shot at the podium!john ruston has a real shot at the podium!john ruston has a real shot at the podium!
Martin I agree but if it was a historic race in States he would have been totally screwed!
It’s what happens when you give proper Historic Cars to people who are only interested in racing and don’t have to pay the bills
john ruston is offline  
Quote
Old 27 Apr 2021, 19:10 (Ref:4048152)   #54
delta
Subscriber
Veteran
 
delta's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
United Kingdom
Reading UK
Posts: 8,693
delta has a real shot at the podium!delta has a real shot at the podium!delta has a real shot at the podium!delta has a real shot at the podium!delta has a real shot at the podium!
Quote:
Originally Posted by john ruston View Post
Rudy ,just for you!
My personnel view of You Tube coverage.
Comical commentary- Andy Marriott and his mate showing his lack of knowledge about Historic Racing. He’s an expert from mid 60,s on contemporary racing when he was with Motoring News and very close to Chris Lambert .Spent many years in States covering IMSA.
Very small grids due to people pulling out with COVID situation so with that in mind and why bother running the event?
The commentary team decided Nash in Pre War race had a preselect gearbox.Seems this is unique in a Pre War Nash?
Does that make my comments more lucid?
I only watched the 1500 cc F1 race. To be honest there were only a very few cars and it was blooming boring race, the commentators did well to find stuff too talk about. in my opinion. Hey what do I know. ,See you this weekend John.
delta is offline  
Quote
Old 27 Apr 2021, 19:16 (Ref:4048155)   #55
MartinH
Racer
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Luxembourg
Luxembourg
Posts: 121
MartinH should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by john ruston View Post
Martin I agree but if it was a historic race in States he would have been totally screwed!
It’s what happens when you give proper Historic Cars to people who are only interested in racing and don’t have to pay the bills
John, l agree with you, but if Alesi did slow, for whatever reason, then Werner was caught out, with nowhere to go, or are we now saying that all drivers must remain 10 metres ( lets say ) behind the car in front just in case ?

Very difficult call to make & to enforce.

For sure, no one wants to see cars damaged unneccesarily, but. it's nice to see close racing, unaffected by the scourge of modern day aerodynamics.

I hope Werner at least offered to pay the damage to his car, if not the Ferrari.
MartinH is offline  
Quote
Old 27 Apr 2021, 21:52 (Ref:4048171)   #56
Thundersports
Veteran
 
Thundersports's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Balearic Islands
On the dark side of the moon
Posts: 1,660
Thundersports should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
In car footage just out shows Alesi did miss a gear.
Thundersports is offline  
Quote
Old 28 Apr 2021, 08:42 (Ref:4048213)   #57
BertMk2
Race Official
Veteran
 
BertMk2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
United Kingdom
Nr Maidstone, Kent
Posts: 10,270
BertMk2 is going for a new world record!BertMk2 is going for a new world record!BertMk2 is going for a new world record!BertMk2 is going for a new world record!BertMk2 is going for a new world record!BertMk2 is going for a new world record!BertMk2 is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinH View Post
..Werner wad obviousy much quicker than Alesi, but had no way to overtake unless there was a mistake from Alesi, which appeared to happen.
It's the usual story at Monaco - it's quite possible for a slower car to stay ahead (recent example being Daniel Ricciardo in the Red Bull with energy deployment issues winning).

Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinH View Post
Werner was so close, as is his right & as Alesi slowed for whatever reason, Werner made contact & lifted the rear of the Ferrari, causing the loss of control & then contact with the wall.
In period, this would be regarded as one of those things - now called a racing incedent - & no action would have been taken.
It should stay that way & Werner should have been awarded, or rather kept the win.
Agreed - there was simply no time to react to what happened, he had to be close to have any chance and when you're close sometimes you get caught out if the car in front makes a mistake - it's just one of those things.

Quote:
Originally Posted by MartinH View Post
Applying the modern analysis is killing historic racing, just like it has killed all modern racing ; please don't go there.
This is a bit more tricky - I think because of modern health and safety, the current "someone must be to blame" and "I'm going to sue" way of thinking it's not possible to enforce "historic" driving standards. As with a lot of things it can be subjective - in this case I think they got it wrong (but I don't have the experience the stewards have so my opinion is just that).
BertMk2 is offline  
Quote
Old 28 Apr 2021, 11:46 (Ref:4048252)   #58
Gerard C
Veteran
 
Gerard C's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
France
My place
Posts: 9,979
Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!
Hi Martin, how is the life in your area?
Supreme irony, Werner knows not only the place but this Ferrari too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh_s9ItkJy4
Alesi says he never missed a gear and that, to make it short, it was only a show and that Werner's attitude was inappropriate and that he had not the philosophy of respect.
Talking about respect, Werner's racing file, modern or historic, speaks for itself imo.
Gerard C is offline  
__________________
Celui qui est parti de rien pour arriver nulle part,n'a de merci a dire a personne.Pour ceux qui vont chercher midi a quatorze heures, la minute de Vérité risque de se faire attendre longtemps.
Quote
Old 28 Apr 2021, 13:11 (Ref:4048275)   #59
E.B
Veteran
 
E.B's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2010
United Kingdom
About 7kms East of Albert Park Melbourne
Posts: 6,034
E.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameE.B will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
In this clip on twitter it does sound (if you listen carefully , and I note Alesi said no missed gears) as if JA's engine revs suddenly jump as in a missed gearchange at that exact moment. Just sayin'....

https://twitter.com/i/status/1386684420090998785

Of course the rise in rev's could also be from the Ferrari rear wheels being momentarily lifted when Werners nose slipped under the Ferrari rear end.
E.B is online now  
Quote
Old 28 Apr 2021, 14:11 (Ref:4048286)   #60
Duddha
Racer
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
United Nations
Geneva, Switzerland
Posts: 455
Duddha should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDuddha should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridDuddha should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
There was a video, available overnight but now taken down I think, from the Alesi car and view angle was from airbox to cockpit, clearly, misses it in a glitch of a second which covered the length between him and Werner. Werner reacted the only way he could and that's it but now, it's gone, disappeared...
Duddha is offline  
__________________
The good, the bad, the ugly, it's the law.
Quote
Old 28 Apr 2021, 16:41 (Ref:4048322)   #61
Gerard C
Veteran
 
Gerard C's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
France
My place
Posts: 9,979
Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!
Quote:
Originally Posted by John Elwin View Post
It was great to see Michael Lyons' very sporting gesture to Marco Werner after the race.
Yes, a real gentleman, what a noble attitude. Great driver too.
Gerard C is offline  
__________________
Celui qui est parti de rien pour arriver nulle part,n'a de merci a dire a personne.Pour ceux qui vont chercher midi a quatorze heures, la minute de Vérité risque de se faire attendre longtemps.
Quote
Old 30 Apr 2021, 15:39 (Ref:4048716)   #62
MartinH
Racer
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Luxembourg
Luxembourg
Posts: 121
MartinH should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerard C View Post
Hi Martin, how is the life in your area?
Supreme irony, Werner knows not only the place but this Ferrari too:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh_s9ItkJy4
Alesi says he never missed a gear and that, to make it short, it was only a show and that Werner's attitude was inappropriate and that he had not the philosophy of respect.
Talking about respect, Werner's racing file, modern or historic, speaks for itself imo.



Gerard, hi there - long time since we've communicated - lots of changes to life since lockdown ; big one is no race events, but I did go to Hockenheim 2x during the last month ; supporting competitors from Lux, running in the German HTRT series & hoping to do a trackday at Spa in mid May.


Maybe we will be able to do a Dijon event sometime this year, though PA have cancelled most of their events this year already.



You take care & hope to be at race events before the year ends !!!

Martin
MartinH is offline  
Quote
Old 30 Apr 2021, 16:21 (Ref:4048726)   #63
Gerard C
Veteran
 
Gerard C's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
France
My place
Posts: 9,979
Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!
Yes a long time, Martin. Dijon by PA looks a little bit too soon regarding the H situation here, the reopening of shops and restaurants wont be enough to send the virus away I fear. Will your Alfa friends go to Nogaro, for instance? Not the worse place to race in France IMO.
Take care too, will be great to meet you again, anytime any place!
Gerard C is offline  
__________________
Celui qui est parti de rien pour arriver nulle part,n'a de merci a dire a personne.Pour ceux qui vont chercher midi a quatorze heures, la minute de Vérité risque de se faire attendre longtemps.
Quote
Old 30 Apr 2021, 18:59 (Ref:4048800)   #64
john ruston
The Scarlet Pimpernel
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location:
Retired roaming
Posts: 5,274
john ruston has a real shot at the podium!john ruston has a real shot at the podium!john ruston has a real shot at the podium!john ruston has a real shot at the podium!
H maybe sorted by 10 pm Sunday!
john ruston is offline  
Quote
Old 4 May 2021, 07:19 (Ref:4049543)   #65
MartinH
Racer
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Luxembourg
Luxembourg
Posts: 121
MartinH should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Gerard C View Post
Yes a long time, Martin. Dijon by PA looks a little bit too soon regarding the H situation here, the reopening of shops and restaurants wont be enough to send the virus away I fear. Will your Alfa friends go to Nogaro, for instance? Not the worse place to race in France IMO.
Take care too, will be great to meet you again, anytime any place!

Gerrard, hi again ; sorry for thelate reply.


I'm not sure what our plans are this year (again !!) - will look at Nogaro events & see what they say.
Cheers, Martin
MartinH is offline  
Quote
Old 4 May 2021, 11:42 (Ref:4049593)   #66
Gerard C
Veteran
 
Gerard C's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2013
France
My place
Posts: 9,979
Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!Gerard C has a real shot at the championship!
I cant enough recommend to stay safe at home and wait for the country you like to visit to get sorted about the H situation… Not the case here ATM…
Gerard C is offline  
__________________
Celui qui est parti de rien pour arriver nulle part,n'a de merci a dire a personne.Pour ceux qui vont chercher midi a quatorze heures, la minute de Vérité risque de se faire attendre longtemps.
Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Historic Grand Prix (Zandvoort): 16 July 2021 - 18 July 2021 Duddha Historic Racing Today 1 5 Jan 2021 14:33
GRAND PRIX DE MONACO HISTORIQUE Mike Bell Historic Racing Today 63 16 Jul 2020 18:43
Grand Prix Historique Monaco leglizone Motorsport Art & Photography 7 31 May 2006 19:01


All times are GMT. The time now is 06:18.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.