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Old 8 Jun 2010, 14:18 (Ref:2706723)   #251
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Old 13 Jun 2010, 22:53 (Ref:2711533)   #252
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Did anyone find an entrylist for the Nurburgring?
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Old 17 Jun 2010, 20:07 (Ref:2713926)   #253
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Nurburgring entry list (previsional)

BOSS GP 'Open' Class
Henk de Boer Panoz DP01 Champcar Cosworth 2.8 V8 Turbo
Marijn van Kalmthout Ascari Benetton B197 F1 Judd 4.0 V10
Klaas Zwart Ascari Benetton B197 F1 Judd 4.0 V10
Scott Mansell Benetton B199 F1 Judd 4.0 V10
Peter Milavec Panoz DP01 Champcar AER 4.0 V8 Turbo
Philippe Bourgois G-Force Indycar Chevy 3.5 V8
Arnold Wagner Arrows A22 F1 Asiatech 3.0 V10
Cor Euser G-Force Indycar Chevy 3.5 V8
Hannes Neuhauser Minardi M190 F1 Cosworth 3.5 V8
Patrick D'Aubreby Benetton B192 F1 Ford HB 3.5 V8

BOSS GP 'Masters' Class
Karl-Heinz Becker Dallara Nissan WS Nissan 3.0 V6
Carlos Antunes Tavares Dallara Nissan WS Nissan 3.4 V6
Jean-Claude Monbaron Reynard 91D F3000 Judd 3.0 V8
Alain DeBlandre Lola T8900 Indycar Cosworth 2.7 V8 Turbo

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Old 20 Jun 2010, 11:51 (Ref:2715026)   #254
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Due to various reasons only 8 cars on the grid Saturday out of 15 entered.

1. Klaas Zwart - 14 laps
2. Henk de Boer - 58.773s
3. Karl-Heinz Becker - 1 lap
4. Alain DeBlandre - 1 lap
5. Jean-Claude Monbaron - 1 lap
6. Patrick D’Aubreby - 1 lap
7. Marijn van Kalmthout - 6 laps
8. Cor Euser - 9 laps
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Old 20 Jun 2010, 16:54 (Ref:2715135)   #255
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Nine cars on Sunday, eight finishers

1. Klaas Zwart - 17 laps
2. Marijn van Kalmthout - 28.241
3. Patrick D’Aubreby - 55.753
4. Henk de Boer - 1.01.913
5. Karl-Heinz Becker - 1 lap
6. Alain DeBlandre - 1 lap
7. Carlos Antunes Tavares - 1 lap
8. Jean-Claude Monbaron - 2 laps
9. Cor Euser - DNF
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Old 20 Jun 2010, 17:17 (Ref:2715147)   #256
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Well that's impressive, well worth screwing up EuroBOSS for. There is always somebody who think they can run things better. Maybe a new breakaway formula from the ranks of BOSS GP would be the answer.
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Old 20 Jun 2010, 17:45 (Ref:2715160)   #257
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If you can indeed anything else??
if you write something then it is bad against boss GP
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Old 20 Jun 2010, 18:05 (Ref:2715167)   #258
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Well that's impressive, well worth screwing up EuroBOSS for. There is always somebody who think they can run things better. Maybe a new breakaway formula from the ranks of BOSS GP would be the answer.
second that!
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Old 20 Jun 2010, 18:18 (Ref:2715177)   #259
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If you can indeed anything else??
if you write something then it is bad against boss GP
Simple, because I think that the formation of BOSS GP, and the way that it has been done, is a bad idea. I'm afraid events may prove me right.
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Old 20 Jun 2010, 18:49 (Ref:2715187)   #260
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Biggest problem seems to be three races in five weeks time...and the next one in three weeks time.
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Old 21 Jun 2010, 06:44 (Ref:2715496)   #261
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Think so, every year the months of May, June and Juli are busy for the raceteams. Somehow organisors seem to fully book the weekends so i can imagine that it's almost impossible to attend each meeting. Maybe a lesson for next season?

Anyway some pictures will follow tonight. Yesterdays race was a nice one with a mindblowing fast start for Marijn van Kalmthout. There was a fine race for third place, too bad Cor Euser had to retire since he was in race for 3rd spot!
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Old 21 Jun 2010, 09:40 (Ref:2715562)   #262
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Well that's impressive, well worth screwing up EuroBOSS for. There is always somebody who think they can run things better. Maybe a new breakaway formula from the ranks of BOSS GP would be the answer.
You have to wonder what the organisers would think if someone started some new ventures next to their own businesses, I'm thinking of:
Von Kalmthout Ford;
Aspari cars;
Da Boer containers;
Jimbo supermarkets.
All of which would promise much better deals & products but would in fact offer the same while being presented in such a way that the public don't notice any difference.

As has been said before creating a new series/event is the difficult thing, ripping off an existing product is easy and it is now becoming clear that improving on the original isn't as easy as they thought.
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Old 21 Jun 2010, 12:10 (Ref:2715653)   #263
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Nobody said it was easy right? Can we just stop this bashing around? Who knows what happened with Scott Mansell's car? Or Arnold Wagners Arrows?
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Old 21 Jun 2010, 13:02 (Ref:2715682)   #264
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Nobody said it was easy right? Can we just stop this bashing around? Who knows what happened with Scott Mansell's car? Or Arnold Wagners Arrows?
Scott was at Mallory last Wednesday testing. I think they may have felt that things were not quite at the stage where everything was working comfortably enough to debut a newly engineered car. Close but not quite there.

There are two primary issues, as I see it, with this sort of series.

Firstly the drivers, as primary sponsors of themselves, are not all in a posibition to be able to commit to every event. Mostly they are still running businesses which might introduce a more important demand for their time than a motor race. Secondly it is VERY expensive to be in the game with the top of series BOSS cars and that is an incentive to do what you enjoy where you want to enjoy it - not just go to somewhere because it has track time available. It's a small club with a high cost of membership.

Secondly the cars. Very very expensive to operate at all and even more expensive if you want one that runs reliably, especially if you also expect to be competitive.

If you go back to Historic F1 - say 60s and 70s - the active teams were relatively small and the technology, remarkable at the time, was relatively simple. In the 90s most of the F1 teams had maybe 10 time the number of staff that they had in the 60s and early 70s but were still only running the same number of cars in more or less the same number of races (if you include a few non-championship events in the old days.) Move to the late 90s and the 00s and the number of peole on the teams doubled again.

Those manpower increases were, in part, required to perform the technical functions necessary to support the cars for a few hundred miles of activity over a handful of weekends each year. Oh, and probably twice as many miles of exclusive on track testing before the testing ban came into force.

Even if you strip out the development work in the quest for extra performance the size of a team required (and the amount of knowledge of the cars and the technology) just to keep them running 'as is' would be huge.

Moreover, whilst we have come to expect almost 100% reliability as a possibility in the last decade that was not the case in the 90s and certainly not the case at any time prior to then. The potential for keeping them operational in their original guise (Engine/Gearboxes/Software/etc.) is non-existent so they have to be re-engineered resulting in fundamental changes under the skin. All of which takes time and cash.

I think it is quite remarkable that we see these cars running at all, anywhere, ever. There must be less expensive ways of going racing with high power to weight ratios with a greater chance of seat time and fewer challenges and hassles just to get the car on track.
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Old 21 Jun 2010, 14:58 (Ref:2715745)   #265
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One recurring problem with the cars is caused by the installation of over-sized engines. While there is clearly no physical difficulty fitting them the increase in torque, in particular, generates stresses that the cars were simply not designed for. In particular the transmission can be extremely marginal in some of these cars and there is no free space to allow the fitting of bigger/stronger components.
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Old 21 Jun 2010, 21:44 (Ref:2716045)   #266
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Scott was at Mallory last Wednesday testing. I think they may have felt that things were not quite at the stage where everything was working comfortably enough to debut a newly engineered car. Close but not quite there.
But he ran the car on friday and I saw it standing in the pitbox on sunday...

Pics will follow, haven't found the time to sort them out.
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Well that's impressive, well worth screwing up EuroBOSS for. There is always somebody who think they can run things better. Maybe a new breakaway formula from the ranks of BOSS GP would be the answer.
How about calling it Euroboss?¿!!!
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Old 22 Jun 2010, 21:02 (Ref:2716548)   #268
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What a good idea!
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Old 22 Jun 2010, 21:14 (Ref:2716553)   #269
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One recurring problem with the cars is caused by the installation of over-sized engines. While there is clearly no physical difficulty fitting them the increase in torque, in particular, generates stresses that the cars were simply not designed for. In particular the transmission can be extremely marginal in some of these cars and there is no free space to allow the fitting of bigger/stronger components.
What would the alternative be for engines?
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Nine cars on Sunday, eight finishers

1. Klaas Zwart - 17 laps
2. Marijn van Kalmthout - 28.241
3. Patrick D’Aubreby - 55.753
4. Henk de Boer - 1.01.913
5. Karl-Heinz Becker - 1 lap
6. Alain DeBlandre - 1 lap
7. Carlos Antunes Tavares - 1 lap
8. Jean-Claude Monbaron - 2 laps
9. Cor Euser - DNF
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What would the alternative be for engines?
Running the original size...
Judd's etc can supply 3.5 litres just as easily as 4 litres.
Car will be a bit slower but there is no reward for being the fastest retiree.
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Old 23 Jun 2010, 06:58 (Ref:2716718)   #272
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Though the Ascari team seems to have no problems at all with the Judd 4.0.
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Old 23 Jun 2010, 16:11 (Ref:2716929)   #273
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The Benetton gearbox is probably less marginal than the Arrows one (especially the carbon fibre cased ones) and Ascari's development budget could be rather higher!
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I maybe wrong but I think the judd my be less stressful on the cars than the engines they used in the day .

Judd rev to 12000??
Renault 16000?? with real F1 drivers flat out every lap

I would say Ascari run a tight ship and have been racing with the same cars for many years with much larger budget than most.

Paul Stoddart/european run all his cars with yamaha/judds and they did not break gearboxes!!
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The Benetton gearbox is probably less marginal than the Arrows one (especially the carbon fibre cased ones) and Ascari's development budget could be rather higher!
are the Arrows not carbon wrapped boxes??
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