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29 Apr 2005, 10:01 (Ref:1583653) | #101 | ||
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Allen/Chris, was -28 the one Carlo Giorgio used right up to '79, variously updated ? I presume either -23or -25 is the one Ian Jacobs now has, ie ex-Harper/Purley.
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29 Apr 2005, 17:23 (Ref:1583655) | #102 | ||
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Yup 28 was Giorgio's car Do you know more about the back history of Ian Jacobs's car? I can get 23 as far as 1976 with John Walker, but know nada about 25. Chris |
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29 Apr 2005, 17:43 (Ref:1583657) | #103 | ||
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Don't want to muddy the water here chaps (honest), but Motor Sport this month says (or at least implies) that Jacobs car is chassis 30.
"The March 742 in which David Purley start the 1974 European F2 championship is back in Britain in the hands on Ian Jacobs....Purley only raced chassis 30 a couple of times before switching to a Chevron" Goes on to say Jacobs got the car from Alain Prat, after it had spent most of it's life in French hillclimbs. |
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For 1978 -U1 goes to Norman D for F2/Libre/Aurora, then into the Scottish Libre/Climbing scene. -U2 goes to Patsy McG for Irish FAt, then Kim Mather for Aurora. Kim says he's recently seen it adverted in the UK. |
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12 Jun 2006, 11:06 (Ref:1632345) | #106 | ||
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Steve, Kim just said he'd seen 'my old March' advertised, I presume he meant his 772P, which was -U2.
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14 Jul 2006, 12:05 (Ref:1656097) | #107 | ||
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Autosport 6 Sep 1979 p54: Tony Westwood was out at Prescott in his ex-Godfrey Crompton March 77P. 772P?
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14 Jul 2006, 12:12 (Ref:1656104) | #108 | ||
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And more on 722-29: Autosport 30 Aug 1979 p47 says of the March 722 of Peter Riley (Liverpool) that he "took delivery of the ex-John Calvert Formula Atlantic March from John Kitching and has been very successful in it over the last two seasons".
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16 Jul 2006, 10:13 (Ref:1657314) | #109 | ||
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Might that be the John Kitchen [sp?] who I have sprinting a 722 in 1974 and which I thought might be the ex Mather/Calvert car because it was in teh NW?
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But we have 742/U1 as the Howard Wood ex-Musetti car in NZ in 1977. Even having 742/U1 as a Musetti car disagrees with this. Which identity can we trust? Neither of them? Allen |
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16 Jul 2006, 15:21 (Ref:1657563) | #111 | ||
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Norrie Galbraith told MN in 1980 that his car was the ex Depaillier car, engine and everything [despite Franklin having bought it as a roller, and not being a BMW and all...] But anyway, think this was main as the real Depaillier car is elsewhere [California]
Don't believe Musetti car was a 742 but a mod'd 732 tub stuck into an Atlantic set up Chris |
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16 Jul 2006, 15:38 (Ref:1657570) | #112 | ||
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So should I take "U1" off the Howard Wood car until we know more?
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16 Jul 2006, 21:31 (Ref:1657800) | #113 | |
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catching up omn this thread
742u1 is being restored via me and is listed in single seater voiturette book as Val M at a 74 or 5 uk race 772p u2 is allegedely in canada being restored he bought it as a basket case 772p u is in uk with john holmes 742 30 is now owned by mark dwyer from jacobs this car wa srun by Berndard de dryver i was with the carand owner talking at BH festival and this man came over and said this is my old car and i said u must be B de Dryver he was a bit stunned !! |
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16 Jul 2006, 22:17 (Ref:1657829) | #114 | ||
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Hi Drifty
What history do you have on that 742-U1? It looks like there were two cars with that number applied to them at one time or another. Allen |
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16 Jul 2006, 22:39 (Ref:1657840) | #115 | |
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some how this march thread has had my info deleted from it when it was re posted
car was reskinned tub by Graham thurston and sold with new bodywork to current owner long time back i cannot tell you wher it came rfrm with out reffering to my mails on other pc also have 742 u2 car in same stable had 752 body & bmw in it car came in from bmw dealer showroom in Oz 10 years ago |
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Roger Orgee March 74B or or 742 or 74B/772 or 742/772
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I think Dan could be right here. An article on Sports Extra 5 Jul 1979 p52 calls the car "ex-Friswell" and "742/772P", adding that the engine that came with it was a 2-litre FVD which has now been replaced with a Richardson BDA. So does mean this is the ex-Beltoise/ex-Calvert 732 [01] which got a replacement 742 tub late 1976 after Friswell crashed it in practice at Oulton Park? Or is it the 73B that Friswell drove in 1973 and 1974 and I can last see in 1976 as Barton's "73B/75B". I'm guessing it must be the former. Allen |
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17 Jul 2006, 12:05 (Ref:1658130) | #117 | |
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Confused? you soon will be !!
a 74 tub is the 772p narrow tub 772 is wide tub and not competitive so bmw spat the dummy out at march to fix the problem hence the narrow tub being brought back into service however when u look at march tubs the 772P had an angle on the tub towards the front bulkhead which is used on the atlantic tub allegedly front rear bulheads are different for f1 2 3 5000 cars due to different engine bulkheads/ pick up points and suspension points/ strengths required |
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17 Jul 2006, 12:12 (Ref:1658140) | #118 | ||
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Right. So - just to show whether I'm paying attention - 742/772P would make sense as a designation but 742/772 wouldn't?
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Please excuse me dumping this here but I've been searching high and low for this reference and eventually found it on the somewhat-forgotten Shellsport International Championship 1977 thread.
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yes in essence tr right but the march anorak man would be able to say that tub is not true 742 or 772P if it was viewed but all the parts will fit and to the average man it would look the part ie 732 is same as 742 apart from bodywork then u want to fit a wishbone an dthe 732 will not fot 742 chassis but looks exactly the same now you can see why a 732 can run in 74 in 742 body and 74b can run ass77b etc if u had a 3 year old car to do libre or hillclimb event would u enter as 74 model or 77 model? is i so easy to swap over the bodywork !! de dryver had 742# 30 car after purley ran B&O sponsorship its possible the 742 could have been dressed as 782 bodywork wise but i suspect BdeD had the ££ to get newer car |
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19 Jul 2006, 07:41 (Ref:1659744) | #121 | ||
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Correct about the 772 tub - this was the first big difference in March design since they started. I think even a 722 could be fitted to 772P or 77B bodywork.
Interesting the Friswell connection on Orgee's car, and Orgee's remark about a new tub suggests that it might be the remains of 732-1 that he bought and reworked. I've got to email GF about his 73B this week so will also ask on this score. Chris |
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Actually u can fit most bodywork to 712/3 tubs thru to 77B cars the 75 76 77 2 tubs where wider but i beleive you can get most of a later body to fit less the pods and fit the 742 crash structure side pods so this will explain why you find these 732 mongrel 77/82 libre cars
i can even supply u a 782 tub with dfv fitting 792 ish bodywork go on tell me who had that car pint on me to the 1st person who can !! |
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19 Jul 2006, 08:15 (Ref:1659767) | #123 | ||
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Val MUsetti had it last time it raced. The sister car was in a museum in Switzerland last time I saw it.
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