March 722 - 732 - 742 - 752

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Alan Brown

On static display at the Festival of Speed at Goodwood was Tom Sneva's 1983 Indy-winning March 83C. Riveted to the cockpit side of the tub was a March chassis plate bearing the number 742 18.

Sounds like it might have come from some bloke who hillclimbed it!

[driftwood]

when Jesus gave out the 5 loaves of bread and 3 fish to feed the 5000 that was easier than making a 742 into a march 83C !
march 83C
1 is carbon tub i
2 ts big enough to hold a barn dance inside it
3 rocker suspension
4 ground effect chassis bodywork

that 83c was it owned by an engineering firm? i remember talking in 99/2000 to a man of retiring age ( back then! ) who had an engineering firm based in the south that owned an Indycar March

[Chris Townsend]

Interesting
Plate 742-18 used to be on Joe Henry's nicely restored 742 in California
It was more likely to have been Stuck's car [originally 17] than Depailler's as it had some orange paint on the tub and a continuous history back to an ad for an ex Stuck 742 for sale in Vancouver in 1978. Whereas of the Depailler 742s one went to David Franklin and the other is said to go to Maublanc and then to Bernard Chevanne.

More than one plate for 742-18 [or how many 74B's were actually built and labelled as 742s?]

Chris

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by driftwood

march 83C
1 is carbon tub i
2 ts big enough to hold a barn dance inside it
3 rocker suspension
4 ground effect chassis bodywork

So a good afternoon's work then. Just a matter of swapping the tub, engine, gearbox, four corners and bodywork. Everything else would remain the same.

[Alan Brown]

I was not implying that a 742 had metamorphosed into an 83C. It was such a surprise. I posted the comment to show that old plates turn up in odd places. I was intrigued that someone (in America?) had affixed an old chassis plate. The car had been brought over from the States (Indianapolis Museum?) for the festival. As it was on static display and not running like the 86C there was no one about to ask.

PS A metal (alloy) tub.

PPS If it was easy to post a photo, then I would.

[allenbrown]

FTAOD, I was just being silly to try to wind up Drifty

[driftwood]

you need to be standing at the bar ordering 4 pints then tell me you have no money to do that !!

[Steve Wilkinson]

Taken at Brands Hatch in April during the 1000Kms support race.

[driftwood]

where you present for this shot in 72 or is it a photo taken this year?

[Chris Townsend]

Taken in practice for the race 16 April 1972 I'd guess: the track looks very empty behind him, and if it was the race I'd expect to see John Lepp's Chevron somewhere in the picture

Nice pic Steve

Chris

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Taken in practice for the race 16 April 1972 I'd guess: the track looks very empty behind him, and if it was the race I'd expect to see John Lepp's Chevron somewhere in the picture

Nice pic Steve

Chris

Spot on Chris; practice it is. For the race I was down in the Grandsatnd at the bottom of Paddock Hill where I got a few shots like this:



John Nicholson leading John Lepp with Vern tucked in behind.

[driftwood]

now i see the old tight paddock bend- i remember when it was changed ( for the better) unlike graham hill ( Bottom ) bend to us old farts

So Steve when are you having an "Open" night where we can peruse all your photos drink the beer that Allen Brown will buy us and Mr T gets in some pole dancers while we munch a good curry- yes i will get the curry

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by driftwood

now i see the old tight paddock bend- i remember when it was changed ( for the better) unlike graham hill ( Bottom ) bend to us old farts

So Steve when are you having an "Open" night where we can peruse all your photos drink the beer that Allen Brown will buy us and Mr T gets in some pole dancers while we munch a good curry- yes i will get the curry

I regularly attend the Northern Group meetings of another place where I often show off my photos. I might do something for Race Retro next year!

[allenbrown]

I think I got the cheap option.

[driftwood]

Allen u have no idea how many beers i can drink let alone Mr T
Steve race retro is still too far north for my liking !!

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by driftwood

Allen u have no idea how many beers i can drink let alone Mr T
Steve race retro is still too far north for my liking !!

It's just about as far South as I would want to go on a day trip!

[driftwood]

I have just had long chat with John Travis about his 742 cum 772P car
here are the main points

March 742 cum 772P car

John said he bought a March 742 from Bob Howlings and traded in his ex Pescarolo Brabham BT30or 35/6?
He does not know off tp of head the 742 number but he dopes have ALL his car test sheets so it may be listed
He upgraded the car to 772P spec AND fitted a plate reading 772P !!!!!!!

He changed the front wishbones from 742 round tube to later square tube 772 wishbones
He said he bought parts from Brannigan Bennett and did travel south to Roger Orgee to get some parts ( cannot recall what he bought from anyone) and he change dtehcar form BMW fitting to Ford BDA1600 and ran the car in UK Atlantic races libre events and sold the car circa 80/81 but cannot recall who
I did ask if it was to Scotland BUT he knows he had 772 and 792 at the same time as he has photos of the 2 cars together

I reckon this is the car that John Holmes has now and is running 2 litre BDG power not BMW as U1 would have run with Jack o malley or Dickson

see 792 and 73S thread for other car info

[MarcoEOC]

Hi, first of all I had to say that I live in Italy and I have to restore an old March and to make a beautifull March 752 or 762. My uncertainty derive from the fact that I have the body of a 762 I think, the chassis of a 742 and I was asked to do a 752.... I saw many photos in internet, reading also this usefull site, and I reach the conclusion that many car I saw was a mix of different parts. First of all I would like to understand the difference between the body of the different models 752-762-772 because I have understand that the cockpit and the front wing of the 752 is different from the 762 and 772 (the 762 and 772 front wing and cockpit seems to be ugual watching the photos....only little difference but every cars differs from the other,also from the same model.....) but the lateral body of the cars is a great uncertainty for me. I saw a grat variety of lateral body and it was sad to me that in the 752 model the lateral body was an integral part of the chassis and in the other models was instead a part of the body in fibreglass.
I wold like to know also if there was big difference in the cassis and in the mechanics (for example in the arms etc etc) from the different models just to understand what I have in garage.....
Finally I would like to know if some one can tell me if there is a constructor of the march body in the world or some one that sell only the body so i can decide if is the case to buy it or not.
Many Thanks

[Steve Wilkinson]

Marco, what is the chassis number of the car and do you know any of its history such as previous owners?

Originally Posted by MarcoEOC

Hi, first of all I had to say that I live in Italy and I have to restore an old March and to make a beautifull March 752 or 762. My uncertainty derive from the fact that I have the body of a 762 I think, the chassis of a 742 and I was asked to do a 752.... I saw many photos in internet, reading also this usefull site, and I reach the conclusion that many car I saw was a mix of different parts. First of all I would like to understand the difference between the body of the different models 752-762-772 because I have understand that the cockpit and the front wing of the 752 is different from the 762 and 772 (the 762 and 772 front wing and cockpit seems to be ugual watching the photos....only little difference but every cars differs from the other,also from the same model.....) but the lateral body of the cars is a great uncertainty for me. I saw a grat variety of lateral body and it was sad to me that in the 752 model the lateral body was an integral part of the chassis and in the other models was instead a part of the body in fibreglass.
I wold like to know also if there was big difference in the cassis and in the mechanics (for example in the arms etc etc) from the different models just to understand what I have in garage.....
Finally I would like to know if some one can tell me if there is a constructor of the march body in the world or some one that sell only the body so i can decide if is the case to buy it or not.
Many Thanks

[MarcoEOC]

The chassis number is 742-22 m but I had to "update" it and make a March 752. The problem is that i saw many photos of the 752 and the cockpit so as the front wing are different form wath i have. So, if i have to do a 742 i have the big problem to find somewere the body of the 752. Considering the lateral body i have something that i have never seen in the photos and i think that the old owner of the car (i don't who is he) made a modification just to incorporate the radiator in the left body of the car. Watching the lateral body of the car it seems that it was cut (both the left and the right) and was applied an alluminium appendage fixed with rivets so now its shape isn't tapered as i saw in many photos but ends parallel to the chassis. This is the aesthetic problem of the car. Speacking about the chassis and the mechanics i think that starting from my chassis i can make a 752 or a 762. I am in wrong?

[Chris Townsend]

Marco

My feeling is that the car you have should be restored to 1974 specification not as a 752 or 762
The chassis plate shows it to be the car used for several seasons by Maurizio Flammini. The 'M' stamp on the chassis plate was put there by March in mid 1974 when the cars were returned to the factory and updated from their original front radiator 1974 specification to the mid 74 side radiator set up

I have many photos of this car from 1974 and 75 and it is one of the more interesting and important March 742s
Flammini went on to use this car in 1975 and 1977 [after his works drive for March in 1976]

Chris

[driftwood]

Marco
you will be crazy you rebuild this car as a 752 762 the ONLY parts that are the same will be the uprights front and rear!!
If you have a ferrari 308 gtb would you fit lambo engine and gearbox and expect the car to still be a ferrari?
If you have a horse paint it black white stripes will it be a Zebra?
NO!
Dont mess with the 742 rebuild it as the Flammini car - I have some moulds for bodywork for 742
the chassis for 752 is TOTALLY different to 742 car

i can supply new uprights wishbones for this car
it all depends on how much of the car you have- is the car complete with gearbox suspension brakes wheels rear wing and oil tank and frame?
If it is complete it will be good to rebuild
If there are many parts missing then you need make a list and price up the missing parts as it will be easy to get a final cost greater than buying a race ready car with fia papers and you still have the labour to rebuild the car
I have 742 bmw for sale £47500 fresh motor

[MarcoEOC]

Chris
I should convert it in a 752 because i was asked to do this but doing this i have to buy the body of a 752. I saw in internet a photo of a certificate of a 752 converted in a 772 and i think that i have to do some similar. But if i have to be honest i have to say that i have not really understood what i have to do with this car: i have the chassis of a 742, the body of a 762 (i think) and i have do to a 752. I am attendining elucidation about this problem meanwhile i am collecting informations about this car. Where can i find, if i can, the photos which you are talking about?

[MarcoEOC]

I'm learning a lot about this car thanks this forum... I search about the flammini's car in internet and i saw that he run in the 1974 but also in 1975 with a 742 then in the middle of the 1975 he passed on a 752 but i don't know if he changed al the car or he made an ugrade of the 742 chassis in a 752.

Originally Posted by driftwood

Marco
you will be crazy you rebuild this car as a 752 762 the ONLY parts that are the same will be the uprights front and rear!!
If you have a ferrari 308 gtb would you fit lambo engine and gearbox and expect the car to still be a ferrari?
If you have a horse paint it black white stripes will it be a Zebra?
NO!
Dont mess with the 742 rebuild it as the Flammini car - I have some moulds for bodywork for 742
the chassis for 752 is TOTALLY different to 742 car

i can supply new uprights wishbones for this car
it all depends on how much of the car you have- is the car complete with gearbox suspension brakes wheels rear wing and oil tank and frame?
If it is complete it will be good to rebuild
If there are many parts missing then you need make a list and price up the missing parts as it will be easy to get a final cost greater than buying a race ready car with fia papers and you still have the labour to rebuild the car
I have 742 bmw for sale £47500 fresh motor

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Marco

My feeling is that the car you have should be restored to 1974 specification not as a 752 or 762
The chassis plate shows it to be the car used for several seasons by Maurizio Flammini. The 'M' stamp on the chassis plate was put there by March in mid 1974 when the cars were returned to the factory and updated from their original front radiator 1974 specification to the mid 74 side radiator set up

I have many photos of this car from 1974 and 75 and it is one of the more interesting and important March 742s
Flammini went on to use this car in 1975 and 1977 [after his works drive for March in 1976]

Chris

Chris, when did Flammini use his old 742 in 1977?

I agree with the above, much better to restore it Marco as a 742 if you can. The car was one of the few to win a race as a year old car in a real F2 race as I recall. Others OTOH would be the Boxer, the Dougall 782, the Johansson Toleman 280B. Anymore in the mid and later F2 years?