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And might step into the path of their own bullet if they aren't ready to revamp DPi in a few more years. Even if one doesn't agree with my assessment of DPi as a stopgap, there's little doubt that DPi will last forever, either. Sportscar racing is very cyclical and DPi won't last forever without adapting to the changes. That aside, I'd like to see a serious analysis of how much cheaper the cars would be if you dumped the hybrids. Even if they're not cheap enough to run in IMSA as a result, if the hybrid makes a big enough difference in cost then IMSA could revamp DPi in a way that could make it perfectly reasonable to go up to the ACO and say, "Hey, how about you let our guys race at Le Mans with these if they agree to throw on the required hybrid system?" In the end, we can speculate all we want, but we don't actually know if the manufacturers are by and large happy with the rules. |
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6 Dec 2018, 00:38 (Ref:3868176) | #6104 | |
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It's like choosing between watching paint dry or grass grow from where I'm sitting anyways.
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At least the grass is going to get green at some point while the paint will stay stale
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This is a good one, and the faces sum up my feelings:
(https://assets.lemans.org/explorer/p...tions-2020.pdf) (Those are actually links to Youtube videos. Typical ACO-English.) |
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One big disappointment for me is that apparently the active aero elements can only be activated by the driver. That's kind of boring
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6 Dec 2018, 02:18 (Ref:3868185) | #6110 | |
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I'm 50/50 on these new rules. There's lots of things I like; wide and long cars, hypercar look, more engine power, free engine choice etc. But things I really dislike; 'super heavy' cars, mandated engine weight, hybrid weight, engine power, hybrid power, mandated downforce and aero levels etc.
There seems to be some confusion over if privateers have to produce road cars or not. I can't tell if they can make or purchase a non-manufacturer engine. It seems like AER, Cosworth, JUDD etc is out of it if they have to use an engine that is produced in a set amount. Unless that only applies to manufacturers I don't see this being a good thing. I really hope there's wiggle room in the rules to stimulate some development and we don't have something like DTM as someone mentioned above. This does sound like upgraded Super GT GT500 class though and I'm not sure that's a good thing. If it were something like mid-2000's GT500 with open engines mixed with late 90's GT1 with actual freedom to make more power through fuel flow like currently used in lmp1, I think I would favor this change a lot more. So what's the truth? Is it manufacturer/road engines upgraded for everyone or just manufacturers? Is it homologation specials or not? Lots of conflicting info coming out. |
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Manufacturers are so scared of direct competition nowadays. But who will BoP their street cars?
I think I've saw a link to 750 Formula races live video. I would prefer it on the same weekend as FIA WEC. |
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I'm totally confused regarding privateer entries. I assumed they would simply buy the full package (car/engine/ERS) from their chosen manufacturer and go racing, but I get the feeling I'm wrong.
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6 Dec 2018, 13:14 (Ref:3868259) | #6114 | |
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I think the only homologated thing from a road car is the engine and ERS. A privateer could buy that kit in a Onroak, Oreca, Dallara, etc chassis. The problem is going to be designed compatibility with multiple options, if multiple options appear.
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So they will have success ballast for every event except for Le Mans? In GTE the said ballast would be okay (if there also wasn't round-by-round BoP, which there is) because at least it's transparent unlike random political tinkering, however in top class it's just laughable. On top of that you have the DPi 2.0 branding incentives, spec components and parts, tech freeze and cost cap. Might as well snooze off before the zero emission rules are established because these junk regulations truly are signs of desperation.
So the way of the future is WEC - 1 "tech" BoP class, 2 BoP classes, 1 spec class IMSA - 3 BoP classes, 1 spec class ELMS - 2 spec classes, 1 BoP class ASLMS - 2 spec classes, 1-2 BoP classes MLMC - 1 spec class, 1 BoP class (+ 1 G56 if accepted???) |
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6 Dec 2018, 14:15 (Ref:3868274) | #6116 | ||
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I dont understand why the hybrid is such a big deal to the regulations in top level racing. If it's open development great, I love it. If you're going to freeze development and essentially put on a show make the show good. Give us screaming NA engines with big power and call it good.
I understand its marketing, but we all see through that and does the general car buying public care about a manufacturers racing success? |
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In the end it's probably there to just please off Toyota and keep them on board |
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There's been a clarification issued over the engine regs (which were confusing me) - teams can still use a pure motorsport engine & hybrid system if they want. From this article:
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There are plenty of references to 'customers' flying about, but nothing which explains how, in simple terms, a privateer team avails itself of a Series legal hypercar to go racing with, unless they buy the full package from one of the OEM's. Maybe I'm missing something... |
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See the clarification above. Like I originally thought, it means any entry can either use a production engine or a bespoke one. Same for ERS. And the rules only specify that if an entry want to use a production engine or ERS, those numbers need to be met. And there was never anything about cars, only engines and ERS.
If a privateer wants to race all they have to do is build a car to the regulations. That's it. Then if they want to use a road car engine, the manufacturer of that engine needs to meet those production numbers. |
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I'm still praying for this line of text to appear: "Alongside the LMGTP and LMP2 classes, LMP1 class shall be retained for cars corresponding to the 2018 Non-Hybrid technical regulations. Homologations will be extended until the conclusion of 2023-2024 season"
That way we could still have some fun in these "gap years" before zero emission... and not all gloom and misery |
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I don't blame you for being confused though, I had to read those sections at least 3 times to get an idea! It's good that they came out and clarified a few things.
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Anyway, now wondering if Rebellion will turn to Toyota to power their Oreca built hypercar... |
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I have been trying to understand what they mean when they say "two motors" for the ers. Don't they say torque vectoring is banned? Think about it, if you use a 'production' based ers you can have two electric motors. But the rules also say that the front axel is the only place to have electric drive. Why would you want to use two motors unless you plan to drive each front wheel separately? In turn, that would be a form of torque vectoring but it would be controlled by each motor in the front. My guess would be an in-wheel motor for the front two wheels. That might circumvent the "no torque vectoring" rule. Admittedly I haven't read it yet so I could be wrong.
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