Do the Mustang and Camaro have technical parity?

[bluesport]

Originally Posted by Mixer

Ford fans definition of perfect parity is the first half of 2019.

Even after parity adjustment the Mustang won 2019 and got 1 & 2 in 2020.

Then Penske left.

There's your parity.

Ford teams won next to zilch after a mid-season parity adjustment on a car that was peviously deemed to be already paritised......was it in 2021?

[banksie]

Originally Posted by bluesport

Ford teams won next to zilch after a mid-season parity adjustment on a car that was peviously deemed to be already paritised......was it in 2021?

But the results of the 2019 parity testing could never be replicated again... McLaughlin still won Bathurst in 2019, the title and 13 races in 2020.

We've covered all of this. Any challenge that Ford may have done something shady is ignored and not addressed.

In the previous 30 seasons you could probably count the mid-season parity adjustments on one hand. Technical parity has been brilliant for the category.

[V8 Fireworks]

Originally Posted by Tourer

No reason that Tech Parity can't continue in that case - only have to look at the various comments and threads about BoP on 10/10ths to understand that it isn't ideal either - so it may be a case of "the devil you know".

The difference is that Toyota Gazoo Racing are demonstrably the best, and there is no reason for sports prototype racing to not be a straight-forward competition of set parameters given the two leading vehicles are substantially similar twin-turbo V6s. Adding 37kg to their vehicle and only 3kg to the slow Porsche seems more akin to success ballast.

Balance-of-performance is better placed to balance disparate types of vehicle like a Porsche 911 against a Lexus RC-F, or indeed a Ford Mustang against a Toyota Supra.

In any case, here's an onboard with the new Mustang GT3... A great bit of kit and it seems more airy than the Gen 3 car too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxlPWJAKnck

Assuming promoter duties of the Bathurst 12 hour can be taken away from V8 Supercars (as that is a conflict of interest, and V8 Supercars have shown their past willingness to act anti-competitively by scheduling a test day on the same day as the Bathurst 12 hour before they were the promoter), could Ford Australia ask its ATCC teams to switch to the Australian GT championship and run Mustang GT3s instead?

(Obviously steps would need to taken to move Australian GT away from an Am driver format to a full Professional driver format.)

I don't think an ATCC split would necessarily be a bad thing to break up the anti-competitive practices of "Supercars" and their commercial monopoly.

There could even be Corvettes in the Australian GT championship to keep the interest of General Motors fans!

The Australian GT championship, under these new promoters with the backing of Ford, would eventually angle to take over the Adelaide 500, Gold Coast 500, Bathurst 1000 (just start another one like Supercars did) etc one presumes... It would be great: people sticking it to Supercars and their closed-shop organisation and eventually rendering their commercial contracts worthless!

[Tourer]

Originally Posted by V8 Fireworks

Balance-of-performance is better placed to balance disparate types of vehicle like a Porsche 911 against a Lexus RC-F, or indeed a Ford Mustang against a Toyota Supra.

Not in the situation we have in Australia it isn't - where one event (Bathurst) has bigger significance to the competitors than the championship. BoP is based on lap time - so we see each year at the 12 hour how it handicaps some cars at Bathurst which achieve lap time differently to each other. As always at Bathurst, being fast up and down the chutes is a big advantage and we see the cars with that capability having a big edge over those that are quick in the corners but not as fast in the straights.

That would be unacceptable to the teams competing in Supercars.

As for the rest of your post about a "monopoly" and Ford asking its teams etc etc - sorry, there IS no monopoly, just a manager of one category; and Ford doesn't own the teams, so in reality has little power of persuasion for them to move.

Various people have predicted the end of Supercars (as it is now known) for well over 20 years and one day it may well happen - certainly it doesn't appear to be as strong as it once was at the moment and the big changes in the automotive landscape in recent years (along with that pandemic of course) would make it very hard to work out a good path forward but Supercars is still there at the moment, as are the teams running in the series.