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Old 13 Jul 2019, 14:20 (Ref:3917371)   #101
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HMS did indeed have the choice as the sponsorship was from Alfa dealers, who at the time had Giulia and Giuliettas to flog. And unless I'm mixing things up again the Giulia wheelbase is longer than the #HARD VWs. Never mind the BMW 3 series...
Giulia 2820mm
3-series 2851mm
CC 2711mm

The car that so many people fear is too dominant has a longer wheelbase (and body length) than the 'too long' Giulia.
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Old 13 Jul 2019, 14:21 (Ref:3917372)   #102
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But as a works team you essentially run what the manufacturer wants you to run. HMS had the choice
And chose to not run a RWD, for reasons that WSR are demonstrating as not being valid.
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Old 13 Jul 2019, 14:52 (Ref:3917381)   #103
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As for Excelr8 expect a Mini Clubman in time for the hybrid package. Will help BMW promote electric minis nicely ��
I'm not convinced we will see a Mini Clubman now Mini Challenge has become part of the event
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Old 13 Jul 2019, 15:39 (Ref:3917390)   #104
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I'm not convinced we will see a Mini Clubman now Mini Challenge has become part of the event
I hope not... obviously not any team's deciding factor, but I can only imagine an NGTC Clubman would look a bit silly compared to a Jag!
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Old 13 Jul 2019, 16:02 (Ref:3917396)   #105
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Btw would Mini be at all possible given that BMW (their owner) has a factory team in the BTCC?
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Old 13 Jul 2019, 17:47 (Ref:3917409)   #106
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HMS did indeed have the choice as the sponsorship was from Alfa dealers, who at the time had Giulia and Giuliettas to flog. And unless I'm mixing things up again the Giulia wheelbase is longer than the #HARD VWs. Never mind the BMW 3 series...
But they chose the one which Alfa had just announced was going to be discontinued, which immediately limited the possibility of getting works funding in the future.
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Old 13 Jul 2019, 18:32 (Ref:3917411)   #107
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so technically if they don't have any Alfa backing there is no point to continue with that thing

maybe a good idea to bring Sherman back and give it the "Infinity" treatment ?


if Moffat will have success with it then it would be a no brainer really
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Old 13 Jul 2019, 22:02 (Ref:3917425)   #108
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maybe a good idea to bring Sherman back and give it the "Infinity" treatment ?


if Moffat will have success with it then it would be a no brainer really
Depends if that particular A4 has been on sale brand new in the UK in the past 5 years. Besides, someone else owns the cars now.
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Old 14 Jul 2019, 09:14 (Ref:3917473)   #109
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do they at least still have that Avensis ? it was far better than the Alfa
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Old 14 Jul 2019, 15:19 (Ref:3917576)   #110
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do they at least still have that Avensis ? it was far better than the Alfa

Yes as they were offering it for a TCT drive, no idea if anyone took them up on it tho
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But they chose the one which Alfa had just announced was going to be discontinued, which immediately limited the possibility of getting works funding in the future.
Never any works funding. Zero chance of that, FCA is a bloody great mess. The Giulietta was given another stay of execution after a production pause. Likely will be manufactured up 'til the factory summer break in 2020.

As for the Excelr8 and Jaguar link: anything is possible, but Jag XE and XF are under review - both cars could be production ended sooner rather than later. Although if I was a betting man I'd wager the larger XF will get the chop with a next gen XE gaining a few more inches.
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Old 14 Jul 2019, 20:03 (Ref:3917674)   #112
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Giulia 2820mm
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The car that so many people fear is too dominant has a longer wheelbase (and body length) than the 'too long' Giulia.
In that case Mr Austin was either talking nonsense or simply doesn't/ didn't want a big car. How big was the trusty old Toyota?
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In that case Mr Austin was either talking nonsense or simply doesn't/ didn't want a big car. How big was the trusty old Toyota?
The avensis wheelbase is 2700mm

The A4 wheelbase is 2808mm, with a 4703mm length.

I'm going for the talking nonsense option.
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Old 14 Jul 2019, 20:53 (Ref:3917682)   #114
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As for the Excelr8 and Jaguar link: anything is possible, but Jag XE and XF are under review - both cars could be production ended sooner rather than later. Although if I was a betting man I'd wager the larger XF will get the chop with a next gen XE gaining a few more inches.

Dont discount that JLR have registered the brand name "Road Rover" and I think they are planning to start using it next year so if we are looking the JLR route it might end up being something completely new
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Old 15 Jul 2019, 16:24 (Ref:3917868)   #115
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I think virtually all the cars have gotten larger and longer in wheelbase terms. The Nissan Primera was 2600mm but it was admittedly one of the smaller cars of the era. I think also the teams were allowed to massage the wheelbase a bit so it didn’t have to be exactly the same as the road car.
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There must be something to Austin running the Alfa during the mid season test. I expect an announcement before 2019 is out

This seems to indicate that there is indeed "something"



http://www.btcc.net/2019/07/15/rob-a...1T4tXvxr8IJ58U



I talked to the team personnel when they displayed a second Giulietta that they have built at the AROC National Alfa Day (AROC gave them some small sponsorship last year, as part of a 2-year deal which the Club expects to fulfil next year), and they seemed pretty sure that they'll be back next year, hopefully with two cars
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Well that’s good they are planning on coming back. Didn’t see anything on a guest appearance for the second half of the season, but I guess that was kind of wishful thinking

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Never any works funding. Zero chance of that, FCA is a bloody great mess. The Giulietta was given another stay of execution after a production pause. Likely will be manufactured up 'til the factory summer break in 2020.

As for the Excelr8 and Jaguar link: anything is possible, but Jag XE and XF are under review - both cars could be production ended sooner rather than later. Although if I was a betting man I'd wager the larger XF will get the chop with a next gen XE gaining a few more inches.
Are the Jaguars aluminium? How would the roll cage be attached to get equal chassis stiffness to a steel car?
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Are the Jaguars aluminium? How would the roll cage be attached to get equal chassis stiffness to a steel car?
I'm 90% sure they are aluminium. Not sure what form of witchcraft would be needed... smarter people than I myst have stuck aluminium and steel together before now?
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I'm 90% sure they are aluminium. Not sure what form of witchcraft would be needed... smarter people than I myst have stuck aluminium and steel together before now?
Was the old Audi V8 DTM car from the early 90s not aloominum?
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smarter people than I myst have stuck aluminium and steel together before now?
The Hindenburg?
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The Jag is definitely aluminium.

Think you could be right Craner on the Audi DTM car too... though need to dig! Certainly Audi were experimenting with aluminium back then, the little A2 road car was aluminium - and very expensive because of that. However it did also return 60mpg back when half that was a decent figure.
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Was the old Audi V8 DTM car from the early 90s not aloominum?
Alloy roll cages were allowed then
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I'm 90% sure they are aluminium. Not sure what form of witchcraft would be needed... smarter people than I myst have stuck aluminium and steel together before now?
The ROPS in an NGTC build must conform to FIA Art.253.8
This defines the material as 'Cold drawn seamless unalloyed carbon steel'

The Article then gives a special case description for attaching to a non steel body/shell - 'For non steel bodyshells/chassis, any weld between the cage and the bodyshell/chassis is prohibited, only the bonding of the reinforcement plate on the bodyshell/chassis is permitted.'

So it is possible and a case is given for it in the build regs, which is for the ROPS to be bonded to the shell.
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cant be too difficult.
Jaguar built a gt4 race car (aluminium body shell) last year

https://www.jaguar.co.uk/news/f-type...t-edition.html
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