Pilbeam

[911thillclimber]

Thankyou for the facts!
Such a pity that MP58 will not 'qualify'.
I really wanted something V6/V8 rather than a 4 pot, but maybe I will have to settle for a 4 cylinder.
The engineering is not an issue as I have resources and skills needed.

There is always the Brabham B40/Pilbeam rolling chassis.

Thankyou again, Graham.

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by 911thillclimber

Thankyou for the facts!
Such a pity that MP58 will not 'qualify'.
I really wanted something V6/V8 rather than a 4 pot, but maybe I will have to settle for a 4 cylinder.
The engineering is not an issue as I have resources and skills needed.

There is always the Brabham B40/Pilbeam rolling chassis.

Thankyou again, Graham.

Graham, beware of the so called Brabham BT40/Pilbeam! This is one of the three MP22 chassis that Malcolm Dungworth constructed. He had REPLICA Brabham chassis constructed and it is one of these that is the basis for the MP22. There is no way that this car is a Brabham!

Dependant on your budget there are a lot of suitable cars out there. I would suggest that when you find something that interests you post the details in the General Motorsport History section to get an appraisal of the vehicle.

[travel-kittle]

hey all,

just wanted to say that andy kittle now owns the pilbeam mp40 of demeon milnes and has so since about 2 weeks after he posted but the season is over now and i think we can say he went out with a bang smash snap... but bones heal... so does mp40's

[Sabrejet]

Going back a bit, I just thought I'd add a bit about MP43's:

MP43-002 (this is how the chassis no. is written): Rhys Howells was killed 26 April 2006 at Llandow testing the car with a twin-turbo Rover Wildcat engine (it hadn't raced in this guise). The remains of car were sold to Rodney Thorne and front and rear ends were re-used with a new Pilbeam chassis (005) along with the Rover V8 from Thorne’s Westfield SEight hillclimb car. The car first appeared in 2007, and Thorne has decided to retain chassis plate ‘002’ on the car (confirmed in discussion at this morning's Longleat hill climb).

The 'Fidoe' car (referred to in this thread as 'MP43 04'): According to Rodney Thorne, this was built-up from a spare Pilbeam tub, but I have a photo of it wearing chassis number 'MP43-003'.

Thus, I think we can confirm that -001 is Barry Lines' twin-turbo car, -002 (-005) is with Rodney Thorne and -003 is with the Fidoes. Thus, is -004 the Charlie/Justin Smith car?

I'd appreciate any comments.

Hope this helps.

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Sabrejet

Going back a bit, I just thought I'd add a bit about MP43's:

MP43-002 (this is how the chassis no. is written): Rhys Howells was killed 26 April 2006 at Llandow testing the car with a twin-turbo Rover Wildcat engine (it hadn't raced in this guise). The remains of car were sold to Rodney Thorne and front and rear ends were re-used with a new Pilbeam chassis (005) along with the Rover V8 from Thorne’s Westfield SEight hillclimb car. The car first appeared in 2007, and Thorne has decided to retain chassis plate ‘002’ on the car (confirmed in discussion at this morning's Longleat hill climb).

The 'Fidoe' car (referred to in this thread as 'MP43 04'): According to Rodney Thorne, this was built-up from a spare Pilbeam tub, but I have a photo of it wearing chassis number 'MP43-003'.

Thus, I think we can confirm that -001 is Barry Lines' twin-turbo car, -002 (-005) is with Rodney Thorne and -003 is with the Fidoes. Thus, is -004 the Charlie/Justin Smith car?

I'd appreciate any comments.

Hope this helps.

Thanks, I'll incorporate the changes and post an updated list in the not to distant future.

[Alan Brown]

My limited observations are:-

MP43-002 Hart 2.5 David Render 1986 and 1988

MP43C-04 Millington 2.6 Charlie Smith (and Jim Robinson) 1999 and Charlie Smith 2005.

Hopefully, this confirms the recent posts.

[Steve Wilkinson]

Updates are in the pipeline and should be completed in about a week.

[Alan Brown]

At last I have got round to posting this link:

http://www.racecarsdirect.com/listin...eam_MP431.html

It is also listed in the adverts for Cheshire Classics in Classic & Sports Car.

[david.seaton]

A further update on this car.
I have now bought it, less engine, from Barrie Lines. Tempting as it was to stick the 2.8 Hart Turbo from my MP53 into it, I have realised the futility and pointlessness of that move, however, "we have a plan". It involves a big German V8 and a lot of head scratching, fabrication and luck. It should make it for next season. If it starts to work out I will reveal more in due course.

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by david.seaton

A further update on this car.
I have now bought it, less engine, from Barrie Lines. Tempting as it was to stick the 2.8 Hart Turbo from my MP53 into it, I have realised the futility and pointlessness of that move, however, "we have a plan". It involves a big German V8 and a lot of head scratching, fabrication and luck. It should make it for next season. If it starts to work out I will reveal more in due course.

Sounds like you are building a sprint car rather than a hillclimber?

[david.seaton]

No, it is definitely intended for Hills !!
Perhaps I should have said "A big capacity, lightweight German V8".
The car was built originally as a Hillclimb car, and I believe that is how it should stay ! I also prefer Hills.

[Sabrejet]

Deep, deep joy - sounds a cracker: there aren't enough Sports Libre cars out there and this will be a really welcome returnee in whatever guise.

Roll on 2009. Now where are those TKD V8s?

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by Sabrejet

Roll on 2009. Now where are those TKD V8s?

Rumour has it one will be shortly appearing in a Dallara!

[Alan Brown]

To bring it up-to-date, there is a new VdeV UK endurance racer run by Lanan Racing. I saw it at Brands recently. It is MP98-01-08 (Honda 2.0 engine)

[david.seaton]

I now finally have a BMW S62 engine - this is the 5 litre V8 engine from an M5.
I have found people in the USA who will supply a Dry Sump Kit, Management, Vanos Elimination Kit etc etc. They reckon we should be on for about 480 - 500 bhp, and rev to 8500.
Now I have a few months with a hacksaw and hammer to glue all this lot together, and I can't wait for next season !

[travel-kittle]

MP40 02 Speed Martyn Griffiths (Hart engine) Sold to Jim Thomson then to Martin Middleton. Middleton sold it as a roller to John Belsey who installed a Ford YB. Belsey sold it to Graham Henson who in turn sold it to Andy Bennett & Simon Osbourne. Bennett & Osbourne started to install a Rover V8 before selling the project to Damon Milnes who is still working on the installation.

Steve

Only just caught up with your amazing records. One minor correction....I own MP40/1, which went Middleton-Belsey-Henson-me in the last few years

Simon Osbourne still has MP40/2. The confusion arises because we've both installed Rover engines - the only difference being that his works and mine doesn't!

Best wishes


Damon

Just to update. MP40/1 Has been written off completely. and has been since september 2007 when Andy had the off at Knockalla, and as you may have seen in Motorsport News is only just getting back into 'form'.

Thanks


Aaron

[paulwarrior]

I bought the Pilbeam MP58H 06 from Jim Robinson a few years back to compete in the Irish Hillclimb championship.

Had a bit of an off in Knockalla at the same corner that destroyed Andy Kittles MP40. rolled it!
Consequently does anyone know of any spare MP58 bits and pieces going for sale?
Could do with some spares!!
Paul O'Connell

[robotrowel]

Hi Steve

Do you know any more information on Mp57 01. I nearly drove this car back in 93 and would love to know if it has survived and if it is still being run?

[Nick Harrison]

Originally Posted by robotrowel

Hi Steve

Do you know any more information on Mp57 01. I nearly drove this car back in 93 and would love to know if it has survived and if it is still being run?

MP57/01 was broken up when in Roy Lane's short ownership. The front half was sold to Stewart Robb Snr who mated it with the rear half of MP57/02 after a serious off damaged the front half of that beyond repair.

I believe he may still have it. I sold him MP57/02 in 1999.

[peter finlay]

The works Pilbeam MP62-01 was flown to Sydney Australia for AD-O and Peter Finlay to drive in the Australian Hillclimb Championships on the Esses course at Easter 1996. Finlay, NSW state title holder in 1993,4 & 5 in his supercharged Mawer Formula Ford chassis, arranged for Mike Plibeam and Alister Douglas-Osborne to travel to Sydney and stay with Peter and his wife, Gaye. Mike sent the car out, never having met Peter. Peter assembled the car which had been knocked down by the shippers. The Bathurst Light Car Club footed the bill for AD-O's airfares. Peter took a close second outright; 0.007 seconds being the margin. AD-O was a regular driver of the car in the UK, often accompanied by another driver, the most notable being John McClelland at Prescott. During June 1997, Peter and Gaye, along with the now late Ivan Tighe, triple Australian Hillclimb Title holder travelled to the UK to contest three championship events. Peter tested the new MP82-01 with FT 200 transaxle (fitted with sequential shift mechanism) at Curborough as did Ivan in the ex-Priaulx MP47 which he had hired. With AD-O and Willem Toet driving the works car at the 50th Anniversary of the RACUKHCC at Shelsley Walsh, Peter hired Ben Boult's MP 53 (I think) Cosworth for the event. He then transferred to co-driving the MP82 at Loton Park and Prescott later in the month.

[275 GTB-4]

Originally Posted by peter finlay

The works Pilbeam MP62-01 was flown to Sydney Australia for AD-O and Peter Finlay to drive in the Australian Hillclimb Championships on the Esses course at Easter 1996. Finlay, NSW state title holder in 1993,4 & 5 in his supercharged Mawer Formula Ford chassis, arranged for Mike Plibeam and Alister Douglas-Osborne to travel to Sydney and stay with Peter and his wife, Gaye. Mike sent the car out, never having met Peter. Peter assembled the car which had been knocked down by the shippers. The Bathurst Light Car Club footed the bill for AD-O's airfares. Peter took a close second outright; 0.007 seconds being the margin. AD-O was a regular driver of the car in the UK, often accompanied by another driver, the most notable being John McClelland at Prescott. During June 1997, Peter and Gaye, along with the now late Ivan Tighe, triple Australian Hillclimb Title holder travelled to the UK to contest three championship events. Peter tested the new MP82-01 with FT 200 transaxle (fitted with sequential shift mechanism) at Curborough as did Ivan in the ex-Priaulx MP47 which he had hired. With AD-O and Willem Toet driving the works car at the 50th Anniversary of the RACUKHCC at Shelsley Walsh, Peter hired Ben Boult's MP 53 (I think) Cosworth for the event. He then transferred to co-driving the MP82 at Loton Park and Prescott later in the month.

Similar to this Pilbeam Mr Finlay?

[Nick Harrison]

Originally Posted by peter finlay

The works Pilbeam MP62-01 was flown to Sydney Australia for AD-O and Peter Finlay to drive in the Australian Hillclimb Championships on the Esses course at Easter 1996. Finlay, NSW state title holder in 1993,4 & 5 in his supercharged Mawer Formula Ford chassis, arranged for Mike Plibeam and Alister Douglas-Osborne to travel to Sydney and stay with Peter and his wife, Gaye. Mike sent the car out, never having met Peter. Peter assembled the car which had been knocked down by the shippers. The Bathurst Light Car Club footed the bill for AD-O's airfares. Peter took a close second outright; 0.007 seconds being the margin. AD-O was a regular driver of the car in the UK, often accompanied by another driver, the most notable being John McClelland at Prescott. During June 1997, Peter and Gaye, along with the now late Ivan Tighe, triple Australian Hillclimb Title holder travelled to the UK to contest three championship events. Peter tested the new MP82-01 with FT 200 transaxle (fitted with sequential shift mechanism) at Curborough as did Ivan in the ex-Priaulx MP47 which he had hired. With AD-O and Willem Toet driving the works car at the 50th Anniversary of the RACUKHCC at Shelsley Walsh, Peter hired Ben Boult's MP 53 (I think) Cosworth for the event. He then transferred to co-driving the MP82 at Loton Park and Prescott later in the month.

The car Ivan Tigh hired in the UK was a Pilbeam MP57 chassis 02. It was as you say ex Priaulx but in the ownership of Malcolm Orme when Ivan hired it. I then purchased it in the Autumn of 1997 and subsequently sold it to Stewart Robb Sr in 1999. See above somewhere.