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Old 18 Jul 2017, 13:26 (Ref:3752405)   #101
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I wonder how Grosjean feels a bit of a plonker now. After criticising Hamilton in quali, during the race he just turns in on Ericsson ruining his own race. People in glass houses
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Old 18 Jul 2017, 18:02 (Ref:3752498)   #102
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Yeah cos Michelin were brilliant. Especially at the US GP in 2005.

Pirelli were slaughtered in some quarters for producing tyres that were too durable earlier this year...
I reckon the durability of the chosen Pirelli compounds was quite appropriate this particular race. Vettel pitted quite early and probably both Ferrari's didn't have the best set up to make the tyres last. Silverstone is a demanding track in that regard, hence teams need to adjust.
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Old 19 Jul 2017, 01:37 (Ref:3752657)   #103
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I reckon the durability of the chosen Pirelli compounds was quite appropriate this particular race. Vettel pitted quite early and probably both Ferrari's didn't have the best set up to make the tyres last. Silverstone is a demanding track in that regard, hence teams need to adjust.

Directly from Pirelli:

"Amidst media speculation that Ferrari was at fault for leaving its drivers out on the softs for too long, Isola said the finger should not be pointed at the Italian team." https://www.pitpass.com/59691/Pirell...ures-unrelated

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Old 19 Jul 2017, 08:01 (Ref:3752704)   #104
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Old 19 Jul 2017, 08:27 (Ref:3752711)   #105
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Directly from Pirelli:

"Amidst media speculation that Ferrari was at fault for leaving its drivers out on the softs for too long, Isola said the finger should not be pointed at the Italian team." https://www.pitpass.com/59691/Pirell...ures-unrelated
They are still investigating. What they're saying is it's too early to definitely point the finger at Ferrari.

Personally, as said, I think it's still probable that it is related to stint length and set up (together with the design of the tire of course). We'll have to await to conclusions of the investigation to be sure.
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Old 19 Jul 2017, 09:20 (Ref:3752723)   #106
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Well once again the British GP brings in huge crowds and again justifies why it must be kept on the calendar
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Old 19 Jul 2017, 09:57 (Ref:3752736)   #107
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They are still investigating. What they're saying is it's too early to definitely point the finger at Ferrari.

Personally, as said, I think it's still probable that it is related to stint length and set up (together with the design of the tire of course). We'll have to await to conclusions of the investigation to be sure.
Could it be related to locking brakes causing a flat spot that eventually blew?
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Could it be related to locking brakes causing a flat spot that eventually blew?
It's possible. We have to wait so see what they find.
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kimi's looked a bit more of a classic failure, but vettel's looked very strange. it'd be fascinating to see photos of it, but i can't imagine that exists outside of pirelli...
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Vettel locked his left front a couple of times when fighting with Bottas. Then... bang! Then cheers! Then karma!!
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I counted 2 left front lockups for Vettel during his battle with Bottas late in the race, and think a couple more after that when he was under brakes and the tyre kept finding the flat spot. I'd say it was the cause of the blow up.

Raikkonen's tyre.. well it simply "broke".



Video of the big lock up.
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Cause of Vettel's tyre failure...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/p...rstone-933318/


Curious as to why it was only the Ferrari cars to have this issue. Are they running different spec tyres to the other cars just like the good old days with Bridgestone?
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Cause of Vettel's tyre failure...

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/p...rstone-933318/


Curious as to why it was only the Ferrari cars to have this issue. Are they running different spec tyres to the other cars just like the good old days with Bridgestone?
I'm not sure how from a puncture, you reach the conclusion that the tyre was a different spec?
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Old 22 Jul 2017, 09:37 (Ref:3753487)   #114
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The only thing I can think of is that they ran a setup that strained the tyres to breaking point.
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Of course, it could be down to set-up, but not different tyres.

https://www.pirelli.com/tyre/ww/en/n...cation-system/
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I'm not sure how from a puncture, you reach the conclusion that the tyre was a different spec?
A severe dislike of a driver sometimes makes one see things that aren't there.
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because all cars, despite being designed by different teams, end up with a very similar setup, just like spec cars, right?

i'm inclined to say it's an unfortunate coincidence that both kimi and vettel had failures so close together, but there could well be something in the setup that makes the tyre particularly vulnerable to kerbs or something (much like last time).
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because all cars, despite being designed by different teams, end up with a very similar setup, just like spec cars, right?

i'm inclined to say it's an unfortunate coincidence that both kimi and vettel had failures so close together, but there could well be something in the setup that makes the tyre particularly vulnerable to kerbs or something (much like last time).
It is quite interesting to see how fast RBR covered off the failure of the tyres for Max though!

Looks like Pirelli may have just got the wear rates wrong, they admitted that Ferrari was within the parameters that had been specified for the tyres.
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Pirelli have released a statement regarding the puncture on Raikkonen's tyre, and concluded that it was initially damaged by a contact with an external body, whatever that means.

They also conducted tyres from other teams that had completed similar mileage, and were unable to find any similar damage. And investigations into Vettel's puncture continue.
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So it was a coincidence it was both Ferraris hit trouble by the sounds of it
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So it was a coincidence it was both Ferraris hit trouble by the sounds of it
Coincidentally they were both on Pirellis, and we all know they never fail the teams just abuse them and break them!

Pirelli investigations tell us that all the time!
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