BTCC BTCC 2020 season discussion, News and Rumours! - Page 75

crmalcolm · 13 Dec 2019, 12:07 (Ref:3946494)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johno.UK

I was thinking more along the lines of articles I've read saying these cars are aimed at club racers etc. That power to weight is low compared to what many of the top club series run and at a far higher cost than many are spending.

I guess the 'value' in this category is whether it provides a genuine stepping stone to a higher class of racing (both category and quality).

When it talks about being aimed at club racers - do they mean as a replacement for current club racing, or as a route from club racing to other categories?

crmalcolm · 13 Dec 2019, 12:13 (Ref:3946495)

Enough of this OT conversation about a different series, lets get back to what we all want...

I'll post updates to my table on Tuesdays and Fridays, so here is the latest.
Jordan moved up to a possible, based on having twitter exchanges with WSR.
Trade Price entry now includes the make/model, based on article(s) detailing 2yr contract.
Oliphant notes changed to reflect formal press release.

Team	Car	Driver	Notes

Confirmed Entries
Excelr8	Hyundai i30	Smith ?	Confirmed in press release - want to retain driver lineup
Excelr8	Hyundai i30	Osborne ?	Confirmed in press release - want to retain driver lineup
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic	Cammish	2yr contract confirmed in press release
Team Dynamics	Honda Civic	Neal	Confirmed as driver pairing in press release
WSR	BMW 330i	Oliphant	Confirmed in press release
WSR	BMW 330i	Turkington	Confirmed in press release
WSR	BMW 330i	???	On TBL Entry List
Power Maxed	Vauxhall ?	Plato	Talked about engine / chassis developments for 2020 in interview
Power Maxed	Vauxhall ?	???	On TBL Entry List
Speedworks	Toyota Corolla	Ingram	Confirmed Ginsters backing for 2020 in article
Laser Tools (Aiden Moffat Racing)	Infiniti Q50	Moffat	Confirmed in press release
Laser Tools (Team BMR)	Infiniti Q50	Sutton	Confirmed in press release
Ciceley Motorsport	MB A-Class ?	Rowbottom	Confirmed entry in Facebook post
Ciceley Motorsport	MB A-Class ?	Morgan	Brands Hatch summary confirms 2020 return
HARD	VW CC	Goff	On BTCC.net (and others)
HARD	VW CC	Bushell	On BTCC.net (and others)
HARD	VW CC	???	On TBL Entry List
HARD	BMW 125i	Boardley	On BTCC.net (and others)
AmD (Cobra)	Honda Civic	Not 2019 driver(s)	Confirmed in social media post
AmD (Cobra)	Honda Civic	Not 2019 driver(s)	Confirmed in social media post
AmD (Trade Price)	Audi S3	???	On TBL Entry List (2yr contract for cars)
AmD (Trade Price)	Audi S3	???	On TBL Entry List (2yr contract for cars)
BTC Racing	Honda Civic?	Smiley?	Social media post said returning, with picture of cars and drivers
BTC Racing	Honda Civic?	Cook?	Social media post said returning, with picture of cars and drivers
BTC Racing	Honda Civic?	???	On TBL Entry List
Motorbase	Ford Focus?	???	On TBL Entry List
Motorbase	Ford Focus?	???	On TBL Entry List
Motorbase	Ford Focus?	???	On TBL Entry List
Simpson Racing	Honda Civic?	Simpson?	On TBL Entry List - Rumoured to have vocalised a withdrawal
Team Parker	BMW ?	???	On TBL Entry List

Likely Entries
HARD	VW CC	Crees?	tags HARD on social media

Possible Entries
???	Jag ?	Crees	Rumoured by Crees in a Facebook interview
Not Motorbase	???	Chilton	Has been critical of the Focus in the press
???	???	Edwards	Has stated that she no longer drives in Clio Cup. Website is worded to suggest she is on the grid for 2020
HARD	VW CC	Thompson?	Claims to have exciting 2020 news on social media soon
HARD	VW CC	Coates?	Gilham #tagging?
WSR?	BMW 330i?	Jordan	Lost Pirtek sponsorship, says he wants to stay in the BTCC, but only with WSR

Entries with doubt
???	???	Shedden	Speculation about wanting a return
???	???	M.Jackson	Linked to half of the teams on the grid
???	???	Blundell	Stated that he is undecided about a 2020 return
???	Subaru Levorg	???	Car not viable as NGTC entry
???	Subaru Levorg	???	Car not viable as NGTC entry
???	MB A-Class	???	Car on sale from Laser Tools
???	MG6	???	Excelr8 switched to Hyundai
???	MG6	???	Excelr8 switched to Hyundai

crmalcolm · 13 Dec 2019, 15:14 (Ref:3946534)

Latest tweet from BTC.

Cook is tagged in tweet, with a #WeAreBTC

https://twitter.com/btc_racing/statu...092668928?s=19

Evantra · 13 Dec 2019, 15:20 (Ref:3946537)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Latest tweet from BTC.

Cook is tagged in tweet, with a #WeAreBTC

https://twitter.com/btc_racing/statu...092668928?s=19

Probably because it's a picture of Josh Cook.

Though it sounds like he's working hard to be back with BTC regardless.

crmalcolm · 13 Dec 2019, 15:25 (Ref:3946539)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evantra

Probably because it's a picture of Josh Cook.

Though it sounds like he's working hard to be back with BTC regardless.

Yeah, I get that he is tagged because of the picture.
But interesting that they chose a picture of Cook in relation to posting about 2020......

Evantra · 13 Dec 2019, 15:37 (Ref:3946541)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Yeah, I get that he is tagged because of the picture.
But interesting that they chose a picture of Cook in relation to posting about 2020......

Think they just wanted a picture of their driver on the podium... I wouldn't read anything into it!

Sodemo · 13 Dec 2019, 15:50 (Ref:3946544)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Johno.UK

Going to need a lot more power than that I would think. 200bhp in a one tonne car is nothing to write home about at that level. What's one of those going to cost? Probably 40k to 50k?

I think its ample power for a feeder series.

What did the first iteration of the Clios have? Was it 220bhp? What power did the old 90s Fiestas have? It can't have been more than 120bhp?

Johno.UK · 13 Dec 2019, 16:39 (Ref:3946552)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I think its ample power for a feeder series.

What did the first iteration of the Clios have? Was it 220bhp? What power did the old 90s Fiestas have? It can't have been more than 120bhp?

Like I said earlier though not really if they're aiming for the higher end of the club market. If they're aiming for the "rich kid out of karts" market then fine but no-one driving a 250bhp per tonne or more car is going to spend more money on one of those to go racing IMO. Like so many things these days motorsport related they seem to have come out with a product without defining the intended market for that product. Not sure what relevance the power figures from cars two decades ago is?

medius · 13 Dec 2019, 17:51 (Ref:3946563)

Apparently there's NGTC car that ran in 2019 being tested this weekend by someone who has never been on the grid previously. Likewise the crew running it. Some trackday attendees in the morning should get a nice surprise.

RS67 · 13 Dec 2019, 18:15 (Ref:3946572)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sodemo

I think its ample power for a feeder series.

What did the first iteration of the Clios have? Was it 220bhp? What power did the old 90s Fiestas have? It can't have been more than 120bhp?

The Fiestas were only 90bhp.

Pickles · 13 Dec 2019, 18:50 (Ref:3946584)

Quote:

Originally Posted by medius

Apparently there's NGTC car that ran in 2019 being tested this weekend by someone who has never been on the grid previously. Likewise the crew running it. Some trackday attendees in the morning should get a nice surprise.

🤔

mj088 · 13 Dec 2019, 19:18 (Ref:3946591)

Quote:

Originally Posted by medius

Apparently there's NGTC car that ran in 2019 being tested this weekend by someone who has never been on the grid previously. Likewise the crew running it. Some trackday attendees in the morning should get a nice surprise.

So unless you believe differently, someone has bought some old kit as a track day car or for TCT, so not a 2020 rumor in any way.

porsche962fan · 13 Dec 2019, 19:41 (Ref:3946596)

there are few cars not returning from this year

the MG, the old Infiniti , the Subarus maybe one of the VW (or likely kept as spare)

Evantra · 13 Dec 2019, 19:44 (Ref:3946597)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mj088

So unless you believe differently, someone has bought some old kit as a track day car or for TCT, so not a 2020 rumor in any way.

?

But still interesting to know. I'd like to see who / what car it is.

crmalcolm · 13 Dec 2019, 22:20 (Ref:3946622)

Quote:

Originally Posted by porsche962fan

there are few cars not returning from this year

the MG, the old Infiniti , the Subarus maybe one of the VW (or likely kept as spare)

More than 70 NGTC cars have been built to date, so you'd typically expect about 9 new builds per season.

Only 4 new builds confirmed so far I think doesn't seem abnormal?

RS67 · 13 Dec 2019, 22:25 (Ref:3946623)

Quote:

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Only 4 new builds confirmed so far I think doesn't seem abnormal?

5 surely?
Two Infiniti
Two Hyundai
1 Honda

crmalcolm · 13 Dec 2019, 22:31 (Ref:3946624)

Quote:

Originally Posted by RS67

5 surely?
Two Infiniti
Two Hyundai
1 Honda

Assuming the Honda you refer to is the BTC 3rd car?

On a pedantic note, I don't think they've confirmed a new build - but yes, I think the final count for new builds is expected to be 8, so bang on average.

redshoes · 13 Dec 2019, 23:22 (Ref:3946629)

	2010	2011	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017	2018	2019	2020
Alfa Giuletta									1
Audi A4		2			1
Audi S3					1			1
BMW 125				3		1
BMW 330										3
Chevrolet Cruze				1	1	1
Ford Focus			1	2	1	1		1
Honda Civic FK2			5	1			1		1
Honda Civic FK8									2	2
Hyunadai i30											2
Infiniti Q50						2					2
Mercedes A-Class					1	1		1
MG6			2	1
Proton Persona		1			1
Subaru Levorg							4
Toyota Avensis	1	3	1		1	1	1
Toyota Corolla										1
Vauxhall Astra								2
Vauxhall Insignia		1		1
Volkswagen CC				2	2
	1	7	9	11	9	7	6	5	4	6	4

This is based on the season in which each chassis first appeared. In some cases the built was started earlier but not completed until some time later.

2020 has only the 4 cars (2x Infinti, 2x Hyundai) announced so far. There will be more to add.

Evantra · 13 Dec 2019, 23:32 (Ref:3946631)

Wow, can't believe NGTC is 10 years old already!

CD34 · 14 Dec 2019, 02:15 (Ref:3946635)

Quote:

Originally Posted by medius

Apparently there's NGTC car that ran in 2019 being tested this weekend by someone who has never been on the grid previously. Likewise the crew running it. Some trackday attendees in the morning should get a nice surprise.

Going to hazard a guess at the team in question being Reflex Racing GB, they had the old Audi A4 out in Britcar a few years back as well as having the odd touring car here and there. It’s just a guess mind.

S griffin · 14 Dec 2019, 06:40 (Ref:3946645)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Evantra

Wow, can't believe NGTC is 10 years old already!

To be fair, only a Toyota ran a few demo laps with Thommo at the wheel in 2010. It started proper in 2011

porsche962fan · 14 Dec 2019, 15:18 (Ref:3946696)

wouldn't be a clever move from Dick to put Turks in a different car ? this way he can sell another 3 series to the Turkington family if he gets another title instead of just 1

mark_l · 14 Dec 2019, 16:30 (Ref:3946704)

BMR Racing have had the latest compulsory strike-off action discontinued, but still no sign of the 2018 accounts which are nearly 3 months overdue.

You have to wonder if BMR will even exist by the start of the season.

Pickles · 14 Dec 2019, 16:51 (Ref:3946708)

Quote:

Originally Posted by mark_l

BMR Racing have had the latest compulsory strike-off action discontinued, but still no sign of the 2018 accounts which are nearly 3 months overdue.

You have to wonder if BMR will even exist by the start of the season.

They don't, they've been bought by Laser.

mark_l · 14 Dec 2019, 17:10 (Ref:3946709)

Warren and Robert Scott are the only 2 directors of the company and it is listed as still being at Buntingford so I doubt if the Moffats have bought anything tangible, just the TBL's.

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