Chevron B25

[Chris Townsend]

Allen

That bit about the Patsy McGarrity car going to Harrold McG is wrong!
08 Patsy McG then Woods and Farrelly
Harrold unknown but possibly from Skellern
Shortall B25/27 unknown but quite possibly the ex Morgan car via Peck given the extent of mods.

Chris

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by Steve Wilkinson

Chevron B25 [25-73-08]

The following is from the current keeper:

1973 - Classic Cars for John Lepp
1974 - Patsy McGarrity
1975 - Pat Woods
1978 - Paddy Farrelly
1985 - Jeremy Bouckley
1986/7 - Roy Lane
1989 - Mark Colton
1990 - Richard Budge
2002 - Keith Harris (the current keeper who hillclimbs & sprints the car in the UK and hillclimbs it in Europe).

Steve

How sure are that this is the car Martin Chittenden sprinted in 1988?

Allen

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by IANHEB

Chris,
It would appear that after some digging 25-01 was the car that went to Tony Martin in 1974.It was then used by Fogg,Ivor Raasch (who put the whole back end into an Escort spaceframe type of special saloon !!) and then Alan Macdonald who put it back together with a BDG and did 1 or 2 races at the end of 1979.The current owner bought it from him.
2 and 3 were retained for 74/75 by Lexington and driven by Tunmer and Von Hage.In 76 they went to the Domingo family as Atlantic cars and John Nich. drove one in Cape Town.They were then sold to Mel Lahner.In 1980 Andrew Thompson undertook the conversion of both cars to Mazda rotary engines and the chassis numbers were recorded .Tilanus,Ziman,Lahner and others drove during 81/82.He then bought the cars from Lahner approx 1983 and semi restored 03 with a dummy engine for display in the Hiedelberg motor museum.02 was retained and fully restored in 1998 for Gary Dunkerley but has recently been sold on locally.
Hope this helps
Ian

Ian

Belated thanks for this. I've updated OldRacingCars.com records accordingly. I now have Tunmer in 02 for 1974, Klomfass in 02 for 1975 and Hage in 03 for 1974. Is that right or isn't it possible to know who drove what in 1974/75?

Thanks

Allen

[Steve Wilkinson]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Steve

How sure are that this is the car Martin Chittenden sprinted in 1988?

Allen

YES

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Chevron B25 [25.73.”15”]-BDA
Jim Crawford appears late in 1973 with a ‘works development’ B25 in Formula Atlantic, based on ‘a spare F2 chassis’ [AS/MN]. This might be a rebuild of the ill-fated chassis 9 [and therefore the basis of Fiedler’s current car], or else a new car. Chevron development cars did not often carry plates, so this attribution may be one of convenience. Sold to Richard Shardlow for hill-climbs [A/S 11.4.74 p. 46 ex Crawford B25'] and retained 1975. A candidate for the John Stuart hill-climb car of 1977 [along with chassis 7].

And also 1978. Stuart runs the "white" Chevron B25 at Loton (AS 22 Jun 1978 p57).

Edit: just spotted the pictures above. Reg Phillips' B25-73-07 was white but Richard Shardlow's B25-73-"15" was blue. So does that make 07 the favourite for Stuart's car?

[allenbrown]

Originally Posted by Chris Townsend

Chevron B25 [25.73.06]-BDA [“the Maublanc car”]
There are three cars that appear in the early part of the 1973 season where chassis numbers are not known [those of Martin Webb and John Lepp in Atlantic, and Pierre Maublanc in the European hill climb championship. However, on the basis of appearance dates these are respectively allocated 5, 8 and 6 on the basis of appearance dates. Maublanc’s car is the second to appear, so allocated the next lowest number. Used by Maublanc in the 1973 season, with a BMW engine fitted, then most likely the car sold to Alan Rivoire that appears in the European Hill Climb championship in 1974 with a BDA engine.

Roger Damaisin, who ran a B20 on the French hills in 1974, has a B25-ROC in 1975 which appears to be described (Echappement May 1975 p125) as the car of Maublanc and Rivoire.

Damaisin était également l�* avec sa Chevron B25 dans laquelle it étrennait un moteur ROC tout nouvellement homologué en F2, on notait une certaine désaffection des autres pilotes de monoplace comme Maublanc et Rivoire.

To save you looking it up (I had to), étrenner is to use for the first time.

However, the very same day (16 March) at Montmarquet, Roger Riviore wins in a Chevron B25-Ford.

Sorry, I'm not helping am I?

Allen

[allenbrown]

At least I can confirm one thing. At Ampus in 1974, Rivoire is said to have "la March [sic] 73 de Maublanc". This 'March' is correctly listed in the results as a Chevron F2.

Allen

[Chris Townsend]

Allen,

I think that what Echappement is saying is that Damaisan is using an ROC motor for the first time, not the B25, and the reference to Rivoire and Maublanc is to their regarding the ROC engine with distrust or suspicion.

Chris

[allenbrown]

I got lost in the sub-clauses in that sentence (which is actually a sub-clause in an even longer sentence). I think you're right about the reference to Riviore and Maublanc but the coincidence was so great I didn't read it as carefully as I should.

So that 'B25'-ROC is more likely to be the ex-Maublanc 1972 B20 uprated and the real B25 is still with Rivoire.

Allen

[allenbrown]

As I read more Eschappement, it's getting harder and harder to believe that there was only one B25 on the French hills. Away from the results sections, I've just spotted a profile of Roger Damaisin (Echappement Dec 1977 p133) which says that he bought the ex-Maublanc B20 for 1973 (with a 2-litre Ford) but the ex-Mieusset B25-Hart in 1974. He then put a 2-litre ROC into the B25 for 1975 before buying Maublanc's March 752-BMW for 1976.

So we have one B25-BMW with Maublanc in 1973, going to Rivoire for 1974 and 1975; and one B25-Ford driven by Mieusset in 1973 as part of the Maublanc team which then goes to Damaisin for 1974 and 1975.

[allenbrown]

I seem to be only person posting here but I've found a couple more B25 snippets that don't seem to help

Pat Woods comprehensively wrecks his B25 at Phoenix Park 18 Sep 1977 (AS 29 Sep 1977 p45) and Jimmy Jack is driving a 1.9-litre B25/B29 at Longridge on 25 Sep 1977 (AS 29 Sep 1977 p49 and MN 29 Sep 1977 p23). Given the 1.9-litre engine, I'd fancy Jack's car as the ex-Campbell Graham car which always featured a 1.9 FVC. It's possible he's borrowed Munro's car for the day.

Allen

[Chris Townsend]

Allen

So you don't feel like you are talking to yourself...
I totally agree with you about Jack's car being the ex Graham, ex McLaren ex Jeffrey B25. Probably the basis of the car of Ted Dzierzek described as 25/27 [f.s AS 23.3.78 p. 62 but run into 1979]

Woods's car was chassis 8

Chris

[Bryan Miller]

Alan,

I may not be talking , however I am watching.

Bryan.

[allenbrown]

I later found a reference (that I failed to note down) at a hillclimb to Munro's can being sponsored by Jack Crane Hire or some such thing and mechanic Jimmy Jack fixing Munro's car in time for the final run. So there's a very strong possibility that Munro and Jack were sharing a car in which case the ex-Graham/McLaren/Jeffrey B25-FVC must be odds-on favourite.

Edit: That will be this chap then: http://www.james-jack.co.uk/public/aboutusfrms.htm. Another phone call to add to my To-do list.

[Dazza67]

Dumb request I know but I am looking for someone who can help with a (several) photos of where the front subframe attaches to the tub, espesialy in the center and the pedal mounts. any of the B24 B25 B29 cars should do. Thanks Dazza67

[Bryan Miller]

www.vintageracingservices.com have some photo's of their B25 which may assist you. For sale section.

Bryan .

[allenbrown]

I said I'd find where Mieusset's Chevron B25 first appears in 1973. It's at Glouneux (23 Jun 1973) where he appears with a Maublanc team Chevron-BMW-Hart. Echappement calls it a Chevron BMW but unhelpfully says:

Mieusset était venu avec une Chevron-BMW de l'écurie Maublanc, celui-ci disposant du modèle �* moteur Brian Hart.

So a Chevron-BMW but with a Hart engine!?!

Maublanc is at the same event in his B25 which is presumably still motivated by its 2-litre Hart.

Mieusset is next out at Mont Dore (1 Jul 1973) where he is said to have swaped his March 722 for a Chevron B25. The livery of the car is subtly but distinctly different to Maublanc's B25 which is winning at Vuillaffans the same day.

[Dan Rear]

I think Allen the quote translates as, VERY roughly (!!), Mieusset brought a Chevron BMW from the Maublanc team, the latter using the same car with Hart motor.
V willing to be corrected, I used to be fluent in French... albeit that was late 1981 !

[allenbrown]

'Of' or 'from' Maublanc? I took it to mean 'of', so one of the Maublanc team's B25s, not a car bought from Maublanc. As Maublanc and Mieusset then appear in B25s at different events on the same day, it has to mean two distinct cars. The B25 that Jean Lachaud drives later in 1973 may be the same car Mieusset drives.

Allen

[Dan Rear]

Allen, sorry, I meant Mieusset brought along a B25 owned by the Maublanc team, the latter had his own car with a Hart. So yes, 2 distinct cars.

[Leighton Irwin]

B25.73.14 is advertised for sale as a roller on www.race-cars.com

[allenbrown]

Located in Stratford CT, so hasn't moved far from New England Classics if at all.

Allen

[James Murray]

Just had a read thru this thread again. The above car advertised B25-14- 73 was the car which was originally allocated to the Henry family but as the Henry family recently advertised their car which has been in storage for so long, where does that leave us. Clearly B25's in USA for quite a while but only 1 confirmed identity!

[Chris Townsend]

I suspect that only one B25 was sold new to the USA - appearing with Price Cobb late on in the 1973 FB season. This might well have become the Henry car which does not appear before 1975.

14 suggests a later season car.

Numbering for B25s is a bit hypothetical since like B25s production seems to have outstripped the build record

1: Gunston: John Love
2: Gunston: Brian von Hage
3: Gunston: Ian Scheckter
4: Ed Reeves: Dave Morgan
5: Eris Tondelli sold later in year to Lachaud or Damaisan [this is speculative based on car being tested as early as late Feb 73]
6: Pierre Maublanc [HC] [BMW] [speculative based on appearance]
7: Works: Peter Gethin
8: John Lepp
9: Works: Gerry Birrell destroyed at Rouen maybe basis of the works development car for Crawford late season
10: Martin Webb [speculative]
12: Space Racing: Brett Lunger/John Watson
14: Chip Mead [speculative]
15: Campbell Graham [FL] [Speculative]
16: Whichever of Lachaud or Damaisan doesn't buy Tondelli's car

Chris

[zahistorics]

South African cars.

No 3 car: Heidleberg museum is now is closed. Most of the stock including the above is now at Mr Rupert's new Franschhoek Motor Museum. (BTW a wonderful place if you find yourself in the Cape)

Peter Lindenberg and Anthony Corin own an ex Ian Schecter car, so presumably that is No2.

I've got contact details for all of the above parties if required.

John