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Old 1 Feb 2010, 11:12 (Ref:2623575)   #151
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C8: Zakspeed/Ertl 1980 ...
C9: Works turbo test car 1980Gartner in 81

Did Ertl ever run this car with a turbo Zakspeed engine or is it a myth?
Also does anyone know what became of both of these chassis - Im intrigued to know why they were both the basis for F1 test engine mules.
C9 was the mulletta that Henton described as the quickest thing he had ever driven when he tested it at Goodwood in late 80/early 81, unfortunately it didnt stop so well on F2 brakes and tyres.

C8 is the one I am interested in.
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Old 1 Feb 2010, 11:12 (Ref:2623576)   #152
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yes i was right
2 cars for turbo f1 testing
# 8 sold to ford germany for them & zakspeed to test their engine1.4 BDA turbo form Capri DRM Ertle to do the testing
#9 for toleman to develop hart turbo motor

i believe these cars did race in 81 F2 races
chassis 10 upwards where built new for hillclimbers ( excuse the unintenional pun)
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Old 1 Feb 2010, 11:36 (Ref:2623588)   #153
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Drifty seems unable to understand irony; nor to remember the content of this thread.

I posted the information about Ertl and the F1 test car earlier in the thread. That's where you got it from Drifty.

I don't know why I bothered. It won't happen again.
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Old 1 Feb 2010, 11:47 (Ref:2623599)   #154
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actually i didnt get it from there it was from my AS article i had on file
I do understand irony as well as factitiousness sarcasm and some italian

I will look up my notes on C8 9 racing in 81/82 F2 races later
i think 1 car was with Docking
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Old 1 Feb 2010, 11:57 (Ref:2623604)   #155
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actually i didnt get it from there it was from my AS article i had on file
Motor Sport. I gave you the dates.

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I do understand irony as well as factitiousness sarcasm
We are only too aware that you are fluent in both.
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Old 1 Feb 2010, 12:11 (Ref:2623611)   #156
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The Roman is ROwan and toleMAN hence why only 1 Roman was built
the 2nd car is lola not toleman car parts- all from from the horses mouth
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Really? Maybe you ought to ask Ray why he and his customers always entered them as Romans!

Could Driftwood please address my query? I have many programmes and results where there is more than one Roman in them.

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Old 2 Feb 2010, 08:54 (Ref:2624239)   #157
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Gentlemen, this is supposed to fun; let's not allow things to spoil it. Drifty, this is exactly the sort of thing I've been talking to you about. I suppose, at some stage, I'll have to edit some of this 'niggly' stuff out.

Back to topic, please, and should we have a separate thread for the Roman(s)?
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Old 2 Feb 2010, 14:38 (Ref:2624435)   #158
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1 no need for roman thread we know what they are about and are a cousin to the toleman TG280
2 some folk wanna split hairs i dont have time for that
3 it also sounds like a certain party has got out the wrong side of bed this week and wants to score some points over me
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Old 28 Nov 2010, 10:56 (Ref:2796714)   #159
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Could Driftwood please address my query? I have many programmes and results where there is more than one Roman in them.

Quite correct. Steve Wilkinson's excellent result log for the BMSA shows several meetings where Roman IV (Tony Marsh) and V (John Fellows) were both present. The simplest way to differentiate between the two is one has a Cosworth engine (IV) (originally Hart 2.8 followed by Judd CV then Cosworth) and the other always a Judd (V).

The other clue to the riddle of how many cars is as Drifty says Ray built three Tolemans from parts hence the Romans followed on as IV(4) and V(5).

It is IV that has now gone to Australia via Dermot and V that is at Tracksport, John Fellows' prep operation in Coventry.

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Old 28 Nov 2010, 11:12 (Ref:2796717)   #160
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Two pics, one of each in recent times. I know we have had the one of Ray before.
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Old 7 Oct 2014, 04:34 (Ref:3461587)   #161
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Toleman TG-280 #6

Following up on these old posts re: Tolman 280s. I have TG-280 #6 ex DS - Stohr 1980 car. It was recently discovered in an LA warehouse where it had been sitting since 1984. It was a little dusty but it survived well. With some TLC (read money) it's going to go vintage racing very soon. Any old photos/info of this car would be appreciated.
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Old 10 Oct 2014, 18:08 (Ref:3463058)   #162
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Following up on these old posts re: Tolman 280s. I have TG-280 #6 ex DS - Stohr 1980 car. It was recently discovered in an LA warehouse where it had been sitting since 1984. It was a little dusty but it survived well. With some TLC (read money) it's going to go vintage racing very soon. Any old photos/info of this car would be appreciated.
You might already found this photo in the worldwideweb
http://rodrigomattardotcom.files.wor...vallelunga.jpg

Is your car still in the original livery?
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Old 11 Oct 2014, 14:45 (Ref:3463347)   #163
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Following up on these old posts re: Tolman 280s. I have TG-280 #6 ex DS - Stohr 1980 car. It was recently discovered in an LA warehouse where it had been sitting since 1984. It was a little dusty but it survived well. With some TLC (read money) it's going to go vintage racing very soon. Any old photos/info of this car would be appreciated.
Was this a Can-Am car in the early 1980s? Eddie Wachs had two TG280s for Can-Am and I believe the were both ex-DS.
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Old 26 Dec 2014, 02:11 (Ref:3487910)   #164
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Yes, this is one of the original cars (#3 & #6) Eddie Wachs brought over to run in the Can Am series. He sold it to a crazy LA car collector who had so many cars he lost track of what he had. It was buried and forgotten for close to thirty years in his warehouse. It is in orange livery as Wachs ran it in 1984, but being returned to Stohr's Orange Beta Tools 1980 livery. It's all most ready to go after a complete refurbishing.
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Old 26 Dec 2014, 02:14 (Ref:3487911)   #165
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You might already found this photo in the worldwideweb
http://rodrigomattardotcom.files.wor...vallelunga.jpg

Is your car still in the original livery?
Yes, the original Orange Wachs Can Am livery. It will change to Stohr's 1980 Orange Beta Tools livery.
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Old 14 Jan 2018, 12:23 (Ref:3792649)   #166
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Yes, this is one of the original cars (#3 & #6) Eddie Wachs brought over to run in the Can Am series. He sold it to a crazy LA car collector who had so many cars he lost track of what he had. It was buried and forgotten for close to thirty years in his warehouse. It is in orange livery as Wachs ran it in 1984, but being returned to Stohr's Orange Beta Tools 1980 livery. It's all most ready to go after a complete refurbishing.
We have recently been in touch with a man in Australia that has chassis No 3.

So an update on the original 9 cars from our perspective.

No 1 Not seen or been in contact, gentleman posting as RTH on the thread.

No 2 In our workshop together with one of the 3 continuation cars of Ray Rowan.

No 3 Located in Melbourne, Australia. Have had recent email exchange and pictures.

No 4 Driftwood sold it to Australia some years ago. Believed to be still with the buyer/collector.

No 5 Located in the UK and have been to visit and seen it in recent years.

No 6 With Norm Marshall as per his posting.

No 7 Believed to be in a Japanese museum. Advan colours. Can find pictures on the net.

Nos 8 & 9 As per other more recent postings uncertain.
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Old 9 Feb 2020, 03:36 (Ref:3956494)   #167
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allen i have 2 more in the cupboard what colour shall i paint them!!
re Toleman yes Kurt ha smumbled about a car
still cannot see much point in building a replica of car that had 12 offical t280s made then another 5-10 made via lola as t281 cars!
i have many fotos of toleman cars with body off if u want to have fotos PM me yr address and i can mail them to u
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if u want a real T280 call me i have 3 cars u can have and ive sold the most important t280 ever built 4 years ago
Hi do you have any history on TG87/1 as I think I have it?
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Old 23 Feb 2020, 13:20 (Ref:3959383)   #168
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Hi do you have any history on TG87/1 as I think I have it?

TG87/1 was a continuation car with a 2.8 litre Hart engine built by Ray Rowan for David Render. Only ever used in hillclimbs, some evidence of this can be found by searching on www.resultsman.co.uk

It had full Toleman style bodywork with a plain red paint job.
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TG87/1

http://britishsprint.org/archive.asp

This will take you to the archive of the British Sprint Championship. Look under event results of the era and you will find it.
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T850 HU3

I own the Stefan Johannson T850 which is undergoing a full restoration at the moment.
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Following up on Tolman TA860/ Lola T860

I own HU-1. Trying to find more information about the car. If more info known outside of what's posted about Haas being invoiced for car and being tested in US. Let me know.

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Following up on Tolman TA860/ Lola T860

I own HU-1. Trying to find more information about the car. If more info known outside of what's posted about Haas being invoiced for car and being tested in US. Let me know.

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