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6 Oct 2009, 16:22 (Ref:2555283) | #51 | ||
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Interesting as "A. Lawrence" is no doubt the owner, also known as Lawrence Auriana....
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6 Oct 2009, 17:41 (Ref:2555335) | #52 | |||
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This puzzles me. Its not like FJ is short of cars on the grid. So why is the car invited to continue racing? So often these discussions come round to the point "yes, but the organisers won't throw the bent car out as they want the money...." but this is not the case here. It also seems as an external observer, that the FJ crowd are a pretty tight bunch and everyone must talk about this car all the time. So why isn't the rest of the grid applying pressure to have the car either put back to how it should be or banned from running? Perhaps coming back to your point Brendan about 9/10ths of the threads here coming back to cheating etc that the issue is wide scale apathy amongst competitors. It is not sporting or gentleman like to protest a car yet everyone sits and moans about this and that issue but does nothing about it. |
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6 Oct 2009, 18:33 (Ref:2555371) | #53 | ||
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I think this has to be dealt with politely. It is not always the car. I am sure all will agree that not all FJ drivers are of the same caliber (and age). Probably also not everyone has driven Daytona prototypes. So when some may complain about the car, capable hands behind the wheel will really influence the result.
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6 Oct 2009, 20:35 (Ref:2555444) | #54 | ||
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7 Oct 2009, 06:26 (Ref:2555624) | #55 | ||
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I was at Monaco and that car was 4/5 seconds quicker than Dennis Welsh when he needed to be and Dennis was quicker than anything else.These Fiat engined cars did nothing in period.Its all to good to be true and not a one off drive. If it looks like a duck,sounds like a duck it must be a ..... Many people moan about Hookey cars but nothing is going to be done about it as organisers want entries and entrants have a quick moan then go to the bar as it isn't that important compared with the rest of worlds troubles. |
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7 Oct 2009, 06:45 (Ref:2555628) | #56 | ||
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[QUOTE=john ruston;2555624]Why?
These Fiat engined cars did nothing in period.Its all to good to be true and not a one off drive. QUOTE] Yes, quite right. I really hope that some organizers read these pages and take action accordingly. My very personal view is that the car in some aspect is illegal, and the owner/drivers knows this. How on earth these people can accept the cups, they are presented at a pricegiving, is be on my imagination. |
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However, the Sharknose was also raced at the Revival last year. Was it then also suspiciously fast? |
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7 Oct 2009, 07:23 (Ref:2555656) | #58 | ||
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unfortunately more and more of the older historic fraternity are just going straight to the bar, well past moaning to whomever and wasting their breath. |
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7 Oct 2009, 07:28 (Ref:2555660) | #59 | ||
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and to further work on their physical stamina to go even faster the next morning......
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7 Oct 2009, 07:38 (Ref:2555670) | #60 | ||
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Saddly there are quite a few who come under that heading,ie,retiring to the bar. Fortunately,there are also some who do not just roll over and die,if they had,there would not be investigations into the cars that have been 'moaned' about over the years. Griffiths/Bs/Cobras etc etc have/are being looked at.Some series organisers have done something concerning the bent cars, its now up to the rest to take the same steps and not give in to the general appethy that has blighted this country for so long!
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7 Oct 2009, 07:46 (Ref:2555674) | #61 | |||
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But you are right. Interestingly nobody wanted to buy a certain GT40, when that came up for sale at an auction earlier this year... |
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7 Oct 2009, 07:55 (Ref:2555679) | #62 | ||
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Yes,sorry for the typo!. Perhaps the GT40 has a twin somewhere?
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7 Oct 2009, 08:12 (Ref:2555691) | #63 | ||
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Terry,Think reason on GT 40 is that is a road car made into a race car at race car money.Nothing to do with its spec which is the same as the quickest GT 40's in your wonderful 6 hrs Spa race.
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7 Oct 2009, 08:24 (Ref:2555697) | #64 | ||
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Thanks John. Spa? Wonderful? Saturday morning was! GT40 wise,think I'll buy a lottery ticket.
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7 Oct 2009, 09:56 (Ref:2555760) | #66 | ||
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Boys,No one is going to do anything about it apart from odd move to make it look good with 6 speed gearboxes in E's and capacities are nonsense.
The engines sizes at Spa 6 hrs would be a joke! Best of luck with the crusade but its time wasted |
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7 Oct 2009, 10:05 (Ref:2555767) | #67 | ||
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How can it be 'time wasted' John. Masters have taken action on 'B' capacity as well as some other organizers.Lets not forget that this mess will not be cleaned up overnight.It would be pointless if everyone just walked away from it but the likes of Simon H et al feel strongly enough to voice their opinion's so it must be worthwhile.
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7 Oct 2009, 10:20 (Ref:2555779) | #68 | ||
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And what good has it done?
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7 Oct 2009, 11:47 (Ref:2555828) | #69 | ||
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Apart from the dreaded Bs? Not too much------------yet!
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7 Oct 2009, 13:43 (Ref:2555893) | #70 | |
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I think Carol has been good with U2TC, some action has been taken, checks are being made, and generally speaking I think its pretty straight, One cannot however legislate for an arms race between preppers who are financed by ultra keen racers with unlimited budgets.
racing is an expensive hobby any time for most of us but its impossible to be vaguely competitive when that scenario is increasingly commonplace. |
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7 Oct 2009, 16:27 (Ref:2555999) | #71 | ||
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I think it is a question of the maths. If there are more people indicating that they will enter if the cheats are expelled then the cheats will be expelled. If there are 10 known cheats for every legal car waiting in the wings....then I am not sure there is much hope.
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7 Oct 2009, 19:01 (Ref:2556103) | #73 | ||
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Some people must have proof and in several languages!
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In fact, the Lolas were so superior that in July 1960 they were "lent" to Ferrari/Stanguellini to have Stanguellini Fiat FJ engines fitted in order to determine whether it was the Lola chassis or the Ford engines that made them superior to the Stanguellini (it was both). All of this tends to cast considerable doubt that a Stanguellini prepared to period specs would be close to a Lola prepared to period specs. I am in the fortunate position that I have a Lola Mk2 and a Taraschi FJ prepared to period specs (the Taraschi is very similar to a Stanguellini but perhaps a slighty better handling car due to it having a de dion rear set up compared to the Stanguellini's live rear axle). They are both driven by the same driver on the same tracks (at different times!) and the Lola is a significantly superior and quicker car. From this analysis, it would be extremely questionable that a Stanguellini should perform as well as the car the subject of this discussion. The Fiat FJ engine is limited in it's performance by inherent breathing problems. Additional power could be obtained by reconfiguring the inlet ports. However this would require significant machining or re-casting of the head (both illegal). Unless a scrutineer knew exactly what to look for, these modifications would not be evident to an untrained eye. I have not seen the subject Stanguellni in the flesh but from studying photos it is evident that subtle changes have been made to it. These are only externally evident and internally it may be a different story.... |
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Roger that is great colour and I am sure there is at least one scrute who will have read this.....
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