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Old 5 Feb 2011, 19:11 (Ref:2826257)   #16
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It was about time that Biasion and Delecour were mentioned but I am amazed that nobody has mentioned Sandro Munari who was fantastic in the Stratos but who also did well in the Targa Florio.

Another one is Jean-Claude Andruet.
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Old 8 Jan 2020, 10:42 (Ref:3950355)   #17
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Terry Kaby.

I think he could have gone far in rallying or circuit racing had he got the right breaks at the right time.

He always seemed to end up in cars that were past their prime and ragged them to breakage!

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Old 8 Jan 2020, 10:54 (Ref:3950361)   #18
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Gilles Panizzi was quite good on the asphalt
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Old 8 Jan 2020, 11:09 (Ref:3950368)   #19
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Something that a few people have picked up on earlier in the thread about a lot of the really quick European drivers on tarmac events- they were all-rounders who had fairly substantial experience on race circuits as well as the rally stages- Rohrl drove in Lancia's sportscar programmes and for Audi in the DTM, Marc Duez was a regular in touring cars and sportscars, Andruet did a fair bit of sportscars, including several runs at Le Mans; etc. French and Belgian drivers in particular seemed to cross over to the circuits fairly regularly- Michele Mouton is another one who had a handful of Le Mans starts (and a class win IIRC) on her CV.

Amongst UK drivers, Tony Pond was seriously quick in touring cars for Austin Rover, and as someone said, Vic Elford was probably the ultimate all-rounder.

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There was some footage a while back of Rohrl taming some beast or other around the Nurburgring. One of those gobsmacking sort of views!

One tarmac ace that seemed to come and go in a flash was Carlo Capone?

Had a few years apprenticship with Fiat and then got a big break in an 037 and won the 1984 ERC, defeating one Henri Toivonen in the process!

Looks like he packed it in after that?

Clearly this guy was a serious talent but anyone know the reasons why he never went on from there?
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There was some footage a while back of Rohrl taming some beast or other around the Nurburgring. One of those gobsmacking sort of views!

One tarmac ace that seemed to come and go in a flash was Carlo Capone?

Had a few years apprenticship with Fiat and then got a big break in an 037 and won the 1984 ERC, defeating one Henri Toivonen in the process!

Looks like he packed it in after that?

Clearly this guy was a serious talent but anyone know the reasons why he never went on from there?
As you say, Capone seemed to just disappear off the map after an ERC win that ought to have propelled him into the top flight of a regular WRC drive.

Looking at the Italian version of his Wikipedia entry, and a couple of Italian website articles through the wonders of Google translate, it seems to be a really sad story.

The articles suggest he wasn't the easiest of drivers to work with- former co-driver Luigi Pirollo describes him as 'a loose cannon, difficult, shy, introverted, silent but at the same time unpredictable'.
The outcome was that at the peak of his success in '84, he had a massive bust-up with Lancia, which pretty much ended his career.

The bone of contention apparently was Toivonen- Henri's programme that year was a mixture of an ERC campaign in a Dave Richards-run Rothmans 911, and selected WRC rounds in a works Martini Lancia. When Capone beat Toivonen to the ERC title, only to see his rival offered a full-season Lancia contract, he was apparently very unhappy about it and spoke out in the Italian press, resulting in Lancia giving him the push.

According to the Italian articles, he was also affected by personal tragedies including the death of his daughter, and has suffered major mental health problems.

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Wow, that is some fantastic info, thankyou KA...

Sounds like an extremely unfortunate turn of events put paid to his career.

Makes you wonder why he could not have picked up a contract with another outfit, unless Fiorio or Pianta refused to provide a reference!
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There was some footage a while back of Rohrl taming some beast or other around the Nurburgring. One of those gobsmacking sort of views!
Rohrl was certainly quick on tarmac.... he was a class winner in a Porsche at Le Mans back in the 80's. He was for many years after he retired the Porsche senior test driver at the Nurburgring, and only a few years ago was due to drive in the Nurburgring 24 hours but a back injury upset his plans. I have seen stuff of him on youtube in various Porsches and he certainly doesnt hang around.
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Old 12 Jan 2020, 09:48 (Ref:3951146)   #24
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Rohrl was certainly one who made the transition to circuit racing with no trouble. He was great in both disciplines. I seem to remember reading a story of how he impressed Schumi round the Nurburgring once. Canít remember the exact details
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Any remember Tony Worswick, ran the Ferari 308 and had a go at F3000 aswell.

As far as tar drivers here go, John Price was damn good, I always thought Mark Lovell was as quick as anyone on his day, Jimmy was perhaps the dominant one for years on tar in the UK too.

Europe wise, you had Andruet, Nicholas, Ragnotti, Bugalski, Loubet, Saby, Biasion, Cerrato, Capone, Bettega, Vudafieri, Cerrato, Auriol was insane on tar at times.

Belgians obviosuly, Loix, Droogmans, Snijers,

But choice overall wold be Marc Duez.
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Pond was the equal to any of those imho.

Shame his proper assault on the world stage didn't come til his 6R4 deal in 85/86.

He had done a quite a few with Nissan a few years earlier but the equipment wasn't good enough.

France and Belgium certainly had the most tarmac aces in the 80's.

2 others that shone were Chatriot and De Mevius.

Spain had some quick guys too.
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Paul Lietaer was another quick Belgian,I did see him win a Tour Of Flanders in the 90's.
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Paul Lietaer was another quick Belgian,I did see him win a Tour Of Flanders in the 90's.
He was regarded as the next Coulsoul or Sniyers in the mid 80's iirc? but it never seemed to work out.
Suspect he got overtakeen by the likes of de Mevius and Thiiry in terms of recognition
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Thiry was the best of them in my eyes, now surpassed by Neuville I think. Loix also, but he never did much after 98, clearly did not suit the Lancer he basically paid for with fag money.

Another quick man from Belgium was Renauld Verrydt, some others David Loix, Pascal Gaban, Marc Timmers, Bernard Munster, Peter Tsjoen, all guys who could win rallies out there, but none really a patch on Loix or Thiry, Freddy was still winning Belgian titles a few years ago!!

Shocked the Dutch have never really had a challenger either, perhaps John Bosch, the vd Heuvel family? Think they had a son doing a few years in WRC in a Fiesta recently Kuipers? Looked damned quick to me.
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I will throw another couple of names in to the mix: Irish driver, Billy Coleman and Frenchman, Bernard Darniche.
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