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Old 18 Dec 2015, 20:09 (Ref:3598655)   #31
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I'm afraid that the golden age, whatever that means, has to be the 1960s and into the 70s, when you had real drivers behind the steering-wheels and none of the driver aids that even existed in the 90s.

When a driver like Jim Clark completed a race at Brands Hatch in a Lotus Cortina with a broken seat and holding on to the roll-bar with his right hand to keep him in place and driving for virtually the whole race just using his left hand. Incidentally, he also won the race against the strongest of rivals such as Sir John Whitmore, Graham Hill and if I remember correctly, Roy Salvadori plus many, many more other brilliant drivers.

There were so many phenomenal drivers during those years, but unfortunately my failing memory doesn't allow me to name them at this time. Hopefully someone can step in to help me.
Disagree about 600% with this.

The Golden Era for Touring Car Racing was between 88 and ~00.
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Old 19 Dec 2015, 16:24 (Ref:3598797)   #32
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Disagree about 600% with this.

The Golden Era for Touring Car Racing was between 88 and ~00.
I think the period '83-92 personally before the world became obsessed with Max Power racing.
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Old 19 Dec 2015, 21:27 (Ref:3598832)   #33
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1992-1993 btcc was at it's best
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Old 2 Jan 2016, 16:53 (Ref:3601614)   #34
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I think an honourable mention should go to Peter Kox, who had enormous potential.
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Old 2 Jan 2016, 18:09 (Ref:3601626)   #35
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Yes he was very successful in Europe IIRC and the lap records he did in the development BMW were phenomenal. Of course it took him time to get used to FWD in 98, so it took him til 99 to get that win
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Old 2 Jan 2016, 19:05 (Ref:3601633)   #36
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Aiello would be my no.1
rest of the podium is hard to put, maybe 5-6 drivers
i see not many put Rydell upthere but should be considered too, the Volvo years were great
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I would chose Steve Soper and Frank Beila but when thinking of a third I could not help wondering what Jim Clark could have done in cars of that era.

You cannot really mix the different periods of course and as someone who followed the sport through all these years I must say that touring cars were always great entertainment no matter what the rules.

Tony Llanfranchi winning two championships in a Moskovitch, Gerry Marshall in Big Bertha, ah, those Capris! Often the cars were the stars as teams battled to find an edge under the prevailing rules.
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Toughest? Soper.

Best engineer, Rouse.

Most entertaining? Winkelhock. Maybe Tim aswell.

Most melodramatic Tie between Neal and Plato.

Most stressed out? Menu

Most relaxed? Rydell to the point of almost getting sacked by big Tom

Did the most with his talent? Cleland

Did the least with his talent. Bintcliffe!

Most underrated? Radisich and perhaps Hoy.

Most overrated/ Kelvin Burt! Anthony Reid.

Dirtiest, tie between Reid and Bintcliffe.

Best? For me probably Soper
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Old 5 Jan 2016, 15:33 (Ref:3602258)   #39
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Let me have a go
Toughest: Soper
Best Engineer: Rouse
Best Development Driver: Leslie
Most Entertaining: Cleland/Reid/Watts
Most Melodramatic: Menu?
Most Stressed Out: Muller?
Most Relaxed: Rydell, apart from that one time with Reid!
Did the most with his talent: Cleland
Did the least: Bintcliffe
Most underrated: Radisich and O'Dor, probably the two unluckiest as well
Most overrated: Bintcliffe
Dirtiest: Bintcliffe/Ravaglia
Cleanest: Cleland/Radisich/Leslie
Best: 1) Menue 2) Aiello 3) Cleland
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Toughest? Soper.

Best engineer, Rouse.

Most entertaining? Winkelhock. Maybe Tim aswell.

Most melodramatic Tie between Neal and Plato.

Most stressed out? Menu

Most relaxed? Rydell to the point of almost getting sacked by big Tom

Did the most with his talent? Cleland

Did the least with his talent. Bintcliffe!

Most underrated? Radisich and perhaps Hoy.

Most overrated/ Kelvin Burt! Anthony Reid.

Dirtiest, tie between Reid and Bintcliffe.

Best? For me probably Soper
Good one! Hard to disagree with!!
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Toughest? Soper

Best engineer? Rouse

Most entertaining? Winkelhock

Most melodramatic? Muller

Most stressed out? Plato

Most relaxed? Biela

Did the most with his talent? Aiello

Did the least with his talent? Kox

Most underrated? Odor

Most overrated? Muller or Neal

Dirtiest? Thompson or Plato

Best? Aiello, Biela or Soper
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Reid overrated?!!

What's that based on exactly?
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What's that based on exactly?
Agreed! A strong, hard racer well into his forties.

My favourite driver of the era, if not necessarily the best, was Frank Biela, but he went on to even greater achievements in sportscars.
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And who can forget Reid challenging for the title in an independent MG in 2004, due to his usual hard charging against the dominant Astras. He was IMHO better than Plato and Neal
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"Golden Era" is very subjective. For me, the Group A years from '82 are my Golden Era, especially the long distance ETC races plus Bathurst (when Australia went to Group A in '85) where different disciplines were required compared with the shorter format series.

Best, in my opinion, can be picked from:

Walkinshaw
Percy
Brock
Ravaglia
Brancatelli
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