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Old 7 Sep 2008, 09:58 (Ref:2283241)   #16
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Hi,

No more photos at this time but I have found out it may have been built by a guy Richard Tapper!! in CH CH.
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Old 7 Sep 2008, 15:54 (Ref:2283445)   #17
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Any chance of getting back to Zakspeed escorts Here we go; I have finally found the photograph of this not so well known livery:



Escort from the Ringshausen racing team, with the driver most propably being Bernd Ringshausen. Can you shed more light on this?

I will PM you the telephone number of the 'guru', I'm not sure if he speaks english though. I had a conversation with him once but had some trouble understanding his german I'm sure it was me, though.

By the way, you should've taken the escort with you to Moscow it's only.. well a lot of miles (still hopeful I'll see it racing one day here in europe)
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Old 7 Sep 2008, 20:03 (Ref:2283941)   #18
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Thanks for the photo, this something new for me I have never seen this livery.
So this car was built from a Converted Gp2 Zakspeed car??
We may just be heading back to NZ sooner, so work might start up again!!
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Old 7 Sep 2008, 21:03 (Ref:2284017)   #19
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Yes I expect this car was built from a zakspeed gp2 car as I found some interesting information in a german book. Team Ringshausen entered a zakspeed gp2 car in 1976, which was converted to national gp5 spec (no huge arches) and entered as an RS1600 in 1977. The photo comes from 1978, so it would be quite logical the RS1600 was converted again, but now to proper group 5 spec. However there is the opportunity of course that Ringshausen may have px'ed the car at zakspeed for for an already existing Gp5 escort.

I was also gobsmacked seeing this car. I think I have to ask some germans over on another forum.
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Old 8 Sep 2008, 07:47 (Ref:2284376)   #20
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Ringshausen raced an Mk2 RS1600 (a car which did not really exist - a 1599 16-valve engine - a homologation wonder...) in group 5 national. It looked as a 1976-group 2 from the outside.
He raced a 1300 cc BDA in 1977 (Sekurit pokal) but also a 2-litre Group 5 car - make of that what you want...
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Old 8 Sep 2008, 14:55 (Ref:2284746)   #21
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Frank you're right, I was puzzled to see an RS1600 appearing But same could be said for the Zakspeed RS1800, it had 1975cc, not the 1800cc of the road car... And if were taling about homologation, when did you ever see a 4-valve BMW 2002 or BMW 320 or even an Opel Kadett GT/E?

To get back to the Ringshausen Gp5 Escort; it was used in May 1976 in the Nürburgring 1000km race and entered as an RS2000 BDG with the drivers being Ludwig, Hennige and Müller, it was sold to Ringshausen, he did a few DRM races in 1977 and then in 1978 an almost complete season.

Gary is there a possibility that this is your car? I'm thinking this might be the case, as Ringshausen only drove the last few races of 1977, which fits in with the fact that your car was in mampe livery only for the first part of the season. Is there any chance you could establish when in 1978 the car went to South Africa?

Best of all though, Autohaus Ringshausen still exist! I will send an email and see if Mr Ringshausen would be so kind to give some more information regarding his car and racing.
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Old 8 Sep 2008, 16:08 (Ref:2284818)   #22
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Hi,

I have looked through some old paper work I have on the car and Leif Norberg states in one of his communications that the car was raced Armin Hahne in Macau in late 77, it was then raced at Shah Alam in KL Malaysia by him again. He says it was then sold away.
Macau was 20,11,77 and Kyalami was 5/11/77, so I don't know if Zakspeed sent this car to both events. For sure it was at Macau that much is fact as I know, but I am now trying to find the info i have about it in SA.

The Ringshausen contact sounds good, I will cross my fingers.
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Old 10 Sep 2008, 15:16 (Ref:2286530)   #23
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Hi,
I have been in touch with Leif Norberg and have got some more info regarding the cars life after it european life.

Leif says the car was a joint effort between Harpers and Rothmans in Hong Kong and was driven by Harvey Yap (MAL) Ian Gray (AUS) and William Mei (MAL) while in Rothmans ownership.
He tells me that he purchased the car in 98 and set to doing a restoration to then race it Asia. Leif believes this to be the Heyer car as there was H Heyer etched into the Castings, Uprights, Hubs etc.

Leif is now trying to locate quite a number of photos of the car from it's Asian time, so I will let you all know as I see them.
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Old 10 Sep 2008, 18:51 (Ref:2286657)   #24
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Some years ago I was offered a Zakspeed Escort Mk 2, it was an alloy spaceframed car with steel body dropped on the top. It was completely in pieces but completely original. Anyone know where it is now ?
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Old 10 Sep 2008, 18:59 (Ref:2286667)   #25
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Hi Alex,

Is this the car you are talking about?

If so this car is now in Germany.

Cheers,

Gary.
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Old 10 Sep 2008, 20:34 (Ref:2286730)   #26
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It must be the car Alex is talking about, it's now owned by Dr Helmut Stein, still waiting to be restored one day. However there is a second and last space-frame car; the car which was in 'kuemmerling' livery, however it's virtually non-existent. With other words, all the bits and pieces are there but the chassis is no more...
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Old 12 Sep 2008, 08:52 (Ref:2287856)   #27
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Yes they are the same pictures I was shown. Why is the chassis no more ?
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Old 12 Sep 2008, 10:56 (Ref:2287947)   #28
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Hi Alex,

The car in the photos is still waiting for restoration. What Kurtiejjj is saying is that there was another Zakspeed space frame car which is now been cut up and scraped. What I know of this car is that it was in a very bad way, so striping out all the good parts was the only option. Somewhere I have a photo of the chassis # of the scraped car, I will look for it.
How long ago was the car offered to you? Where was it located at that time?

Gary.

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Old 12 Sep 2008, 15:56 (Ref:2288187)   #29
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Peter Mücke brought the car to Germany from Finland. As far as I understand it may have been stored in Hamburg for a while??
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Old 12 Sep 2008, 20:15 (Ref:2288400)   #30
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Hi Gary,
I think it was about 8-10 years ago i was offered the car. At the time I think it was in Scandinavia somewhere. And thinking about it now I think it was maybe Peter Mucke that bought it.
I was looking through some old magazines a couple of weeks ago (from Eastern Europe I think...) and saw at least 2 pictures of Zakspeed Escorts wrecked by Hans Heyer, a mk1 and a Mk2 I think. Maybe useful to fill in some gaps regarding cars.
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