Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Saloon & Sportscar Racing > Sportscar & GT Racing > ACO Regulated Series

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 3 Sep 2019, 12:18 (Ref:3925578)   #626
Mike E
Veteran
 
Mike E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location:
Leeds
Posts: 4,342
Mike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Rebellion Rules Out Second Car for Full Season

https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...r-full-season/
Mike E is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Sep 2019, 00:37 (Ref:3926283)   #627
TF110
Veteran
 
TF110's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
United States
Posts: 15,377
TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akrapovic View Post
It's a Ligier. It was born a Ligier and will always be a Ligier. I understand being miffed about putting badges on already branded things (Alpine ORECA).

The Cadillac DPi is a Cadillac DPi. It isn't a Dallara P217 with a Cadillac engine. A car is more than just the chassis it is built on, otherwise the DeltaWing is an AMR One. Which is ridiculous.
I don't know, I would call the Caddys Dallara p2's. Changing the lights and engine doesn't make it a Cadillac chassis, do you agree? I think the car is labeled as a Cadillac, but the technical term for the chassis is a Dallara. I don't think it matters much unless the constructors get into an argument over who deserves the credentials?
TF110 is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Sep 2019, 14:08 (Ref:3926358)   #628
Akrapovic
Veteran
 
Akrapovic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Scotland
Posts: 10,912
Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!
I don't think a car is defined by its chassis. Otherwise the DeltaWing is an Aston Martin. The last Pescarolo is an Aston Martin. The Caddy had a rework of lights, rims, wheel covers, cooling and intakes. I think that's enough to call it a Caddy.

They didn't just take a Dallara and put a sticker on it. Which is, literally, what happened with the ORECA LMP2. Which is explicitly stated what was not allowed to happen as well.
Akrapovic is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Sep 2019, 18:39 (Ref:3926405)   #629
TF110
Veteran
 
TF110's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
United States
Posts: 15,377
TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akrapovic View Post
I don't think a car is defined by its chassis. Otherwise the DeltaWing is an Aston Martin. The last Pescarolo is an Aston Martin. The Caddy had a rework of lights, rims, wheel covers, cooling and intakes. I think that's enough to call it a Caddy.

They didn't just take a Dallara and put a sticker on it. Which is, literally, what happened with the ORECA LMP2. Which is explicitly stated what was not allowed to happen as well.
But they don't own the 'right' to the chassis design or its construction or its repurposing like the examples you give. It's not changed in any way that is considered unique to Cadillac, is it? Redone body panels and engine are big enough to make it look like a different car but I think it's the naming that is Chiana's point.
TF110 is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Sep 2019, 18:43 (Ref:3926406)   #630
Akrapovic
Veteran
 
Akrapovic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Scotland
Posts: 10,912
Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!
You and I are good at going in circles

Quote:
It's not changed in any way that is considered unique to Cadillac, is it?
The chassis? No. The car? Yes, absolutely. It has significant engineering input into it. The Alpine has literally nothing. Beyond the guy who engraved the chassis plate lol. And Aurus has some stickers over the headlights.
Akrapovic is offline  
Quote
Old 16 Sep 2019, 14:11 (Ref:3928333)   #631
seanyb505
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
United States
Simpsonville, SC
Posts: 1,864
seanyb505 is going for a new world record!seanyb505 is going for a new world record!seanyb505 is going for a new world record!seanyb505 is going for a new world record!seanyb505 is going for a new world record!seanyb505 is going for a new world record!seanyb505 is going for a new world record!
Mentioned in the Toyota thread, but I'll post it here since it's class-wide.

Success Handicaps issued after Silverstone. Goal is to increase Toyota lap times by 1.4 and 1.0 seconds for the 7 and 8 respectively.

The best part is the 3rd place Rebellion doesn't count, so the leading Ginetta, which finished 5 laps down, sees an increase of .6666666667 and 2/3rds repeating seconds per lap. Should put 'em right on the Toyota gearbox throughout the race . The more-troubled Ginetta receives zero adjustments on account of having a bad race. Ginetta will run one car at 833kg and the other at 867kg.

"How's the other car doing on the inters?"
"Means nothing to us as they're 34kg heavier."
seanyb505 is offline  
Quote
Old 16 Sep 2019, 23:07 (Ref:3928428)   #632
joeb
Race Official
Veteran
 
joeb's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
United States
Baton Rouge, LA
Posts: 15,594
joeb is the undisputed Champion of the World!joeb is the undisputed Champion of the World!joeb is the undisputed Champion of the World!joeb is the undisputed Champion of the World!joeb is the undisputed Champion of the World!joeb is the undisputed Champion of the World!joeb is the undisputed Champion of the World!joeb is the undisputed Champion of the World!joeb is the undisputed Champion of the World!joeb is the undisputed Champion of the World!joeb is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanyb505 View Post
Mentioned in the Toyota thread, but I'll post it here since it's class-wide.

Success Handicaps issued after Silverstone. Goal is to increase Toyota lap times by 1.4 and 1.0 seconds for the 7 and 8 respectively.

The best part is the 3rd place Rebellion doesn't count, so the leading Ginetta, which finished 5 laps down, sees an increase of .6666666667 and 2/3rds repeating seconds per lap. Should put 'em right on the Toyota gearbox throughout the race . The more-troubled Ginetta receives zero adjustments on account of having a bad race. Ginetta will run one car at 833kg and the other at 867kg.

"How's the other car doing on the inters?"
"Means nothing to us as they're 34kg heavier."
I have no idea what is going on anymore with that system. Shouldnt only the winners get the penalty? why give all the cars the penalty?
joeb is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Sep 2019, 11:37 (Ref:3928512)   #633
broadrun96
Veteran
 
broadrun96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
United States
Posts: 11,215
broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Because we reward mediocrity here in the WEC, no one should be too much better than the others as it is not fair. Yes, you've spent millions on the promise of winning and you support the series but you should not expect to win sir. And those of you who haven't won, well you should try harder but last place tried so he shall win next time. Well may be not win but closer.
broadrun96 is online now  
Quote
Old 17 Sep 2019, 11:43 (Ref:3928513)   #634
Mike E
Veteran
 
Mike E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location:
Leeds
Posts: 4,342
Mike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
Luca Ghiotto Joins Team LNT Ginetta For Fuji

http://www.dailysportscar.com/2019/0...-for-fuji.html

#5 Ghiotto, Hanley, Orudzhev
#6 Smith, Robertson, Simpson
Mike E is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Sep 2019, 11:54 (Ref:3928516)   #635
seanyb505
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
United States
Simpsonville, SC
Posts: 1,864
seanyb505 is going for a new world record!seanyb505 is going for a new world record!seanyb505 is going for a new world record!seanyb505 is going for a new world record!seanyb505 is going for a new world record!seanyb505 is going for a new world record!seanyb505 is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadrun96 View Post
Because we reward
factories
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadrun96 View Post
here in the WEC, no one should be too much better than the other
factories
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadrun96 View Post
as it is not fair. Yes, you've spent millions on the promise of winning and you support the series but you should not expect to win
against the factories
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadrun96 View Post
sir. And those of you who haven't won,
you won't because we write the rules so you don't
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadrun96 View Post
well you should try harder but last place tried so he shall win next time. Well may be not win but closer.
*Creative liberties taken with quotes.
seanyb505 is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Sep 2019, 12:41 (Ref:3928517)   #636
broadrun96
Veteran
 
broadrun96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
United States
Posts: 11,215
broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quote:
Originally Posted by seanyb505 View Post
factoriesfactories against the factories you won't because we write the rules so you don't

*Creative liberties taken with quotes.
Except the actual time penalty is applied without concern for factory vs "non," see penalty applied to 4th place Ginetta
broadrun96 is online now  
Quote
Old 17 Sep 2019, 13:11 (Ref:3928522)   #637
TF110
Veteran
 
TF110's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
United States
Posts: 15,377
TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!
If you follow Super GT, it's quite alike. Works pretty good there but obviously there's no hybrids. I don't like it in the wec but if it helps competition I guess it's not an all the way bad thing.
TF110 is offline  
Quote
Old 17 Sep 2019, 18:28 (Ref:3928560)   #638
broadrun96
Veteran
 
broadrun96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
United States
Posts: 11,215
broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quote:
Originally Posted by TF110 View Post
If you follow Super GT, it's quite alike. Works pretty good there but obviously there's no hybrids. I don't like it in the wec but if it helps competition I guess it's not an all the way bad thing.
It is at least public and easier to understand without we thinks and maybes in the sentence. I think ballast would be better but if they can tweak the system more efficiently maybe that's better long run than a heavier car that chews up tires.
broadrun96 is online now  
Quote
Old 17 Sep 2019, 21:01 (Ref:3928580)   #639
TF110
Veteran
 
TF110's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
United States
Posts: 15,377
TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadrun96 View Post
It is at least public and easier to understand without we thinks and maybes in the sentence. I think ballast would be better but if they can tweak the system more efficiently maybe that's better long run than a heavier car that chews up tires.
Apparently the ballast is maxed out for Toyota. It could be a safety issue making it any heavier. At least that's my take on it after reading up on the limitations of slowing down the lmp2s.
TF110 is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Sep 2019, 08:12 (Ref:3928641)   #640
Deleted
Registered User
Veteran
 
Join Date: Jun 2010
Posts: 10,744
Deleted will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameDeleted will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameDeleted will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameDeleted will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameDeleted will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameDeleted will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameDeleted will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameDeleted will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameDeleted will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
If they want more artificial handicapping, why not initialize simple longer pit stop hold-out instead of weird convoluted formula
Deleted is offline  
Quote
Old 18 Sep 2019, 09:27 (Ref:3928655)   #641
SnoodyMcFlude
Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
United Kingdom
Posts: 520
SnoodyMcFlude should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridSnoodyMcFlude should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Chiana View Post
If they want more artificial handicapping, why not initialize simple longer pit stop hold-out instead of weird convoluted formula
I quite like that idea, you get to see cars going as fast as they're able to and have a chase situation...sort of like at LM24 a few years back with Toyota chasing down the LMP2 for the overall win.
SnoodyMcFlude is offline  
Quote
Old 26 Sep 2019, 16:20 (Ref:3930244)   #642
broadrun96
Veteran
 
broadrun96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
United States
Posts: 11,215
broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Apparently Rebellion was livery by committee this season.
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...ls-new-livery/
broadrun96 is online now  
Quote
Old 27 Sep 2019, 14:14 (Ref:3930399)   #643
MaskedRacer
Veteran
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,955
MaskedRacer User has been fined for unsportsmanlike behaviour!
Quote:
Originally Posted by broadrun96 View Post
Apparently Rebellion was livery by committee this season.
https://sportscar365.com/lemans/wec/...ls-new-livery/
Worst livery Rebellion has ever had. Its quite shockingly bad. Ends a streak of good ones they have dawned.
MaskedRacer is offline  
Quote
Old 27 Sep 2019, 15:16 (Ref:3930428)   #644
Mike E
Veteran
 
Mike E's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location:
Leeds
Posts: 4,342
Mike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of FameMike E will be entering the Motorsport Hall of Fame
It's to make it look like they have two cars on track.
Mike E is offline  
Quote
Old 27 Sep 2019, 16:59 (Ref:3930448)   #645
Aysedasi
Team Crouton
20KPINAL
 
Aysedasi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
England
Lymington, New Forest, England
Posts: 39,527
Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaskedRacer View Post
Worst livery Rebellion has ever had. Its quite shockingly bad. Ends a streak of good ones they have dawned.
A matter of taste. I like it a lot.
Aysedasi is offline  
__________________
96 days...
Quote
Old 27 Sep 2019, 23:27 (Ref:3930492)   #646
Akrapovic
Veteran
 
Akrapovic's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2015
Scotland
Posts: 10,912
Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!Akrapovic is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Shockingly bad? Stunningly good more like.
Akrapovic is offline  
Quote
Old 27 Sep 2019, 23:58 (Ref:3930497)   #647
broadrun96
Veteran
 
broadrun96's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
United States
Posts: 11,215
broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!broadrun96 is the undisputed Champion of the World!
Quote:
Originally Posted by Akrapovic View Post
Shockingly bad? Stunningly good more like.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Aysedasi View Post
A matter of taste. I like it a lot.
Quote:
Originally Posted by MaskedRacer View Post
Worst livery Rebellion has ever had. Its quite shockingly bad. Ends a streak of good ones they have dawned.
I'm torn, I think either would be great on their own. I'm just not sure about the combined livery, I'm guessing better in person but the pictures aren't great. Especially head on pictures, not so great
broadrun96 is online now  
Quote
Old 28 Sep 2019, 00:28 (Ref:3930505)   #648
TF110
Veteran
 
TF110's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2010
United States
Posts: 15,377
TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!TF110 is going for a new world record!
I think it's nice. I actually preferred the white and black ones though.
TF110 is offline  
Quote
Old 29 Sep 2019, 19:40 (Ref:3930946)   #649
Aysedasi
Team Crouton
20KPINAL
 
Aysedasi's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
England
Lymington, New Forest, England
Posts: 39,527
Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!Aysedasi is the undisputed Champion of the World!
In real life the plain black and white looked really very dull.... (IMO).
Aysedasi is offline  
__________________
96 days...
Quote
Old 30 Sep 2019, 17:33 (Ref:3931129)   #650
airbusA346
Veteran
 
airbusA346's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
England
Staffordshire, UK
Posts: 5,177
airbusA346 should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridairbusA346 should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Drivers for #88 Proton Porsche in Fuji:

- Thomas Preining
- Adrien De Leener
- Satoshi Hoshino
airbusA346 is offline  
__________________
JWA : Manthey Racing : Proton Competition
Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
[LM24 Race] 2019 24 Hours of Le Mans: ACO/FIA WEC '18/'19 Season Finale chernaudi 24 Heures du Mans 1994 13 Mar 2020 14:28
[WEC] 2018-2019 WEC Super Season hondafan37 ACO Regulated Series 2143 11 Jun 2019 19:03
[Official] 2019 Season Launch/ Pre-Season Testing Thread ScotsBrutesFan Formula One 248 16 Mar 2019 11:11
Sebring 12H + WEC 2019 Coach Ep Marshals Forum 10 7 Nov 2018 15:37
WEC round 8: Six Hours of Bahrain---WEC season finale. chernaudi ACO Regulated Series 212 23 Nov 2015 22:17


All times are GMT. The time now is 01:56.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.