Help! Info on Goodwood 9 Hours of 1953

[terence]

Anyone with any clue as to how/where I can obtain the results of qualifying for this,any help please gentlemen.

[John Turner]

I'm hoping to be proved wrong, but this info. maybe difficult to come by. I've looked through several appropriate books, including 3 specifically on Goodwood, and also the contemporary Motor Sport report, but not a sniff of qualifying results. Anyone got a programme with the details filled in?

Is there a specific car/driver combination that you are interested in here, Terry?

[terence]

Not sure of the race number John,but the driver was Mrs Bluebell-Gibbs,the car is the one that was pictured at Mallory last month in Motorsport History.
Someone was asking when the photo was taken. Thanks for the input.

[D-Type]

There's a photo on page 98 of The Glory of Goodwood which shows the starting order as

1 Jaguar C-Type Moss/Walker
2 Jaguar C Type Rolt/Hamilton
3 Jaguar C Type Whitehead/Stewart
? Jaguar XK120 ?/? (car was LHD registration looks like AV233)
7 Allard ?/?
8 ? ?/?
9 Talbot Levegh/Etancelin
?
?

This suggests that the line up was in race number order so practice times may not have mattered

[terence]

Thats interesting D Type,many thanks.

[rbs]

Have you looked on the Worlds Sports Racing Prototypes site.
wsrp.ic.cz
Then go to British International Races, then 1953. You should find it there.

[terence]

Brilliant,many thanks,I'll have a look.

[terence]

Tried it but just got ERROR 404 Does not exist.Any ideas?

[GBRM]

Originally Posted by terence bower

Tried it but just got ERROR 404 Does not exist.Any ideas?

Worked for me, what a great website!!

Not sure if the below is clear, copied and pasted from the site. The headings are:-

Pos/No/Driver (Nationality) Car/Entrant/ Laps/Time retired/Pos/Group Pos

1. 4 Reg Parnell (GB) Eric Thompson (GB) Aston Martin DB3S 2 David Brown 297 9:00:00,000 1. S+2.0 4.
2. 6 Peter Collins (GB) Pat Griffith (GB) Aston Martin DB3S 4 David Brown 295 2. S+2.0 11.
3. 3 Peter Whitehead (GB) Ian Stewart (GB) Jaguar XK120C XKC 053 W. Lyons 295 3. S+2.0 7.
4. 8 Jimmy Stewart (GB) Bob Dickson (GB) Jaguar XK120C XKC 041 KSF181 Ecurie Ecosse 282 4. S+2.0 10.
5. 9 Jock Lawrence (GB) Frank Curtis (GB) Jaguar C type XKC 042 KFS182 Ecurie Ecosse 281 5. S+2.0 14.
6. 23 Bob Gerard (GB) David Clarke (GB) Frazer Nash Le Mans Replica 421/100/119 HBC1 Automobiles Frazer Nash 280 1. S2.0 9.

[Mod's Note:- Whilst there is no copyright over facts, the manner in which they are laid out needs proper recognition, so we must avoid copying great chunks of another site. I've left in the first half dozen placings but the complete results are here:-

http://wsrp.ic.cz/intgb1953.html

It is part of Martin Krejci great site, the homepage for which is here:-

http://wsrp.ic.cz/intgb.html

It's a true labour of love, putting that amount of effort in. Thank you, Martin - JT]

[terence]

Yes it does work,I went in through WSCP and followed the link from there.It really is a labour of love and thanks to rbs i now have the info I need.Very Great full and many thanks Gentlemen.

[RAP]

Originally Posted by John Turner

I'm hoping to be proved wrong, but this info. maybe difficult to come by. I've looked through several appropriate books, including 3 specifically on Goodwood, and also the contemporary Motor Sport report, but not a sniff of qualifying results. Anyone got a programme with the details filled in?

Is there a specific car/driver combination that you are interested in here, Terry?

The grid position (but not times) are set out in Robert Barker's "A Record of Motor Racing at Goodwood" - as they are for vitually every Goodwood race from the humble Members Meetings up.
RAP

[terence]

Thanks RAP,always good to have info.

[iucrmh]

If the grid was set as per Le Mans in the early 50's, the number order and grid order were pretty much set according to engine capacity. (Le Mans didn't set the grid according to practise times until about 1963).

[RAP]

I have checked Autosport. The grid was on times which is given in their report. Quickest was Abecassis/Whitehead (HWM) was 1'43", slowest the Buschmann/Pope (Porsche) 2'20.8"

[terence]

Thanks for the help chaps,its car No 40 i'm interested in,I need to know if it actually ran in qualifying,I know it did not start.

[terence]

Apparently I still need proof that No 40 actually took part in Practice,driven by Len Gibb's,any ideas,anyone,PLEASE.

[D-Type]

It isn't definitive, but Martin Krejki usually discriminates beteween 'In entry list' 'Did not qualify' and 'Did not start' so it is likely that the car did appear in practice.

Why not ask him by e-mail - he may have more data than he has published.

[terence]

Thanks D Type,What I really need is a copy of the results sheet,FIA are just being totally unreasonable on this one.They want to see a copy of the Program as well as Result sheet.The HRG is possibly one of the most Historicaly correct cars there is and yet a Continuation car gets its papers with out even a sniff of a Race Circuit.!!!

[terence]

RAP,sorry to have not replied to your E-Mail,I lost it somehow.From memory,we already have the program from Goodwood 9hr,its not acceptable for HTP,they have to have proof that the car at least practiced!!!!
My other route now is the Brands August International Meeting 1954,on the WPCS site ,Gibbs did race but spun out,but the FIA will not take that site as proof!!.Apparently they are throwwing back something like 50% of all HTP applications, I wonder how many T70s are thrown back??

[RAP]

Originally Posted by terence bower

RAP,sorry to have not replied to your E-Mail,I lost it somehow.From memory,we already have the program from Goodwood 9hr,its not acceptable for HTP,they have to have proof that the car at least practiced!!!!
My other route now is the Brands August International Meeting 1954,on the WPCS site ,Gibbs did race but spun out,but the FIA will not take that site as proof!!.Apparently they are throwwing back something like 50% of all HTP applications, I wonder how many T70s are thrown back??

I dont blame the FIA for not accept anything on the internet as "gospel". However, your Brands route is easier. Gibbs is mentioned in Motor Sport Sept 54 page 502 "and the HRG of Gibbs went of course..."

RAP

[terence]

Excellent,Thanks RAP,I'll have a look through that.Your right about the Brands race as the FIA are asking to see a program/proof etc.This could shorten the road some-what,thanks again.

[terence]

RAP,do you have that copy of Motor Sport or have you a trick for getting into thier archives?

[RAP]

Originally Posted by terence bower

RAP,do you have that copy of Motor Sport or have you a trick for getting into thier archives?

Have the Motor Sport. PM me with your e mail and I'll send a scan

[terence]

Just an update on the battle of wits with the FIA,after all of the input,they still require proof of the 9hr practice participation,the Brands event was not international,back to tearing out even more clumps then!

[RAP]

Puzzled by statement that Brands not International as title of meeting is Daily Telegraph International Trophy. Perhaps it was a dual-permit as the sports car race is listed as "National 1500cc Sports car Championship race" ? I'm not sure how these things worked in those days.

Re 9 hrs have you tried BARC?