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Fact is production car racing is effective amateur and only casual. If you race it professionally week in week out your chance of a catastrophic accident multiply exponentially. Plus we are talking about production shells and racing engines, that will only get faster and faster. |
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wether its dangerous or not, being honest here..it still wont capture peoples interest in true Stock Racing..even seeing my car doing and being driven by the worlds best drivers, 3 minute lap times just wont get any interest from me whatsoever, even though I love my car to bits
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In the last year of group A, the front runners were doing 2:12. (Biggest crowd ever was in the Group A era). |
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Group A was production based, not production, and were proper race cars built from a road chassis. They were substantially faster than ProdSaloons and full cages and racing seats meant they were as safe as they could be in the day, and there is no reason why a production shell shouldn't be able to cope with everything the COTF can just as in the 80s they were as good as anything purpose built at the time. To suggest otherwise really suggests a lack of understanding of the build of the cars and the mechanics of an accident.
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the Production race doesn't interest me because theyre a bit slow, and if the 4 manufacturers that'll be in the V8 next year were to all race in THAT series in bathurst (or any other track) one car make would just win all the time. making it unfair and boring to the other fans. |
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A roll cage is a roll cage. As a marshal I've attended plenty of shunts of cars built both ways. Safety performance is not much different between the two. I'd guess it's probably harder to rebuild a production based chassis afterwards but I've seen no evidence that their ability to withstand a sizeable shunt is noticably diminished. WTCC and BTCC aren't exactly renowned for genteel racing, after all.
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and the COTF program is all about closer racing, faster lap times, but more importantly safer racing. so the cars are gonna be infinitley safer then the group A's ever were. |
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And i'm sure a group A car built today is going to be infinitely safer than a group a built in the 80's and 90's
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Sorry to continue to disagree, but I'd suggest the safety differences between the two are more to do with the 30-odd years that have passed rather than any inherent engineering restrictions. And the fact that not all Group A cars might have been built entirely to the rules...
I can understand why you think a puprose built car would be safer, but in my experience I have seen nothing to suggest that is actually the case. Indeed, I have seen some purpose built sports and GT cars fall apart and some converted road cars soak up some extremely big hits. |
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The cage technology improved over the years, from alloy cages in Group C Touring cars and very early Group A cars, to steel cages in 1986 onwards. These cages were improved with more developments and bars included in the later years. I wonder what a modern Group A car with the latest cage technology would be like on torsional and impact test beds? I still think that the great suggestions for a modified set of Group A rules that have been suggested in this thread would be more interesting and the cars would be more relevant than COTF. |
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a question for the "old school is not as good as the current school" peeps, if you had never seen a modern race (say V8SC) and the speeds they achieve around an example track, would you still consider proddies to be slow and boring if you had nothing faster to compare them to apart from eg F1?
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As far as making things popular go, I reckon it needs to.look kik one you buy that's had wings and flares bolted on, it has to spit fire and go everywhere sliding and looking like the driver is fighting for his life. Anything like that will draw the crowds
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Possibly the best post I've seen anywhere re. what would get a crowd in. This is why F1 has gone away from driver aids and back to driver ability thank God. The return to a car taht had a closer appearance to the production model was at the forefront of the early years of Group A. They looked far more like the car you could buy rather than the wings and flares of the Group C days. True you could buy production cars with wings and flares eg. the SLR5000 but not many.
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If there were tintops running 2:25's 40 years ago, that's where the public interest would have been. That said, they should bring back bias-ply tires. |
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I think this thread has done it's dash, it's turning into another Group A versus V8 Supertaxi debate. I think there was some really good suggestions posted but I'm gone.
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