Dear Dear Dear FPR (merged x1)

[thunderbolt]

Rsole
FPR DID 'EVERYTHING RIGHT'
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=330464&FS=
Rsole

Ford Performance Racing was fastest in Tasmania today as Mark Winterbottom and Steve Richards drove a gritty 84 laps for fourth and 15th respectively
Tyre strategy again provided thrilling V8 [COLOR=#0033cc !important]Supercar[/COLOR] Championship racing with opposing tactics keeping everyone guessing.
Frosty opted for an early stop to find clear air. With no one holding him up, the Orrcon Steel FPR Falcon was consistently lapping under 52 seconds on the soft tyres and had a commanding lead over Jamie Whincup when the 888 Ford finally pitted from P1.
A run-in with Greg Murphy on lap 53, however, cost Winterbottom around 20 seconds and he had to make do with fourth.
Before that, Murphy had been trading blows with Richo but the Castrol FPR Falcon muscled through on lap 26 to pit a few laps later. The titanic battle continued after the stops, however, with Richo and Murph coming together on lap 46 after Richo's [COLOR=#0033cc !important]brakes[/COLOR] faded.

brake fade should be in the pits for new brake pads this should be a black flag driving with bad brakes

[fomoco]

Originally Posted by promax

V8 SUPERCAR fans are the ones doing all whinging.. not the drivers

no other fans from other series even come close to the whinging by V8 SUPERCAR fans after a meeting

fair call, some drivers , even when they are winning still complain, so fans probably just throw their two bobs worth in as well.
just like footy, big enough to pull on the boots, big enough to take the knocks .
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[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Reminds me of people defending Frosty last year when he took Tander out (Bahrain or china....) saying 'i had nothing left, i couldn't stop'. Heres a thought, BRAKE SOONER.....

LMFAO, i look on the V8 site today, and this is Richo's defence aswell.

"the brakes got too hot and started to fade so I wasn’t even trying to pass,
I locked the wheels and was just a passenger after that.”

Once again, moron, BRAKE SOONER if your brakes are fading.

[NAC]

Nice compilation of Richards / Murphy incidents

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Yd1...eature=related

[Gaslight]

Once again FPR have done nothing, Mr Phil keed went away in 2007 and to quote him wasnt interested in returning to the v8 world, however a few extra bucks later and he is back. The engineering and Mr Edwards team should take a good hard look at themselves, ford budget new FG's and still Frosty in 10th in Championship with half the points of Whincup?? Where are the race wins, where is the passion to knock 888 off their perch, where is the dominance?? all they seem to do is make silly, random errors that cost them race wins, how can you get pole and not win? Makes no sense!!!
The whole team is a let down to ford fans to be honest, no championship, no bathurst win and still they keep throwing money away. They really should be ashamed to call themselves a racing outfit in my opinion, for how long is Mr Edwards planning to make excuses for his team, for how long is the PR department going to churn out pathetic media releases saying how good they are? For how long will fans continue to support the uneducated guesses from the engineering department??
Seriously disgraceful effort FPR

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by promax

no other fans from other series even come close to the whinging by V8 SUPERCAR fans after a meeting

That's a very big call! Do you know this for a fact? Have you checked the NASCAR, F1 & BTCC forums e.g. after a race?

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by thunderbolt

Rsole
FPR DID 'EVERYTHING RIGHT'
http://www.motorsport.com/news/article.asp?ID=330464&FS=
Rsole



brake fade should be in the pits for new brake pads this should be a black flag driving with bad brakes

That's just silly! Only the CofC can order a black flag and how would he know who's suffering brake fade?

[STEALTHY]

It was fade, just Brain Fade

[thunderbolt]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

That's just silly! Only the CofC can order a black flag and how would he know who's suffering brake fade?

bad brakes could be far worst then something hanging off the car
they see the brake light yet the car is still moving at speed

[DAVID PATERSON]

Originally Posted by thunderbolt

bad brakes could be far worst then something hanging off the car
they see the brake light yet the car is still moving at speed

WTF????

Brake fade is not readily noticeable to anyone outside of the driver's seat. If the car suffers brake failure, there's no need for a black flag, there's bound to be a yellow.

[opinion8head]

[QUOTE=DAVID PATERSON;2473790]WTF????

Brake fade is not readily noticeable to anyone outside of the driver's seat. If QUOTE]
Brain fade on the other hand is...Trading blows with Murph? WTF?

[promax]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

That's a very big call! Do you know this for a fact? Have you checked the NASCAR, F1 & BTCC forums e.g. after a race?

yep

[DJJ]

Originally Posted by DAVID PATERSON

WTF????

Brake fade is not readily noticeable to anyone outside of the driver's seat. If the car suffers brake failure, there's no need for a black flag, there's bound to be a yellow.

It is, it was not fade it was a balance issuie, they locked the rears.

Maybe Richo or the team after so long not using adjustable bars are lost.

Fuel and tyres went down always the rears locking. Also if fade was happening why sit behind Murhp temps go up.

Maybe the blocked off the brake ducting too much, end of the day they are lost.

[Woolley]

Watched the clip several times, struggling to work out what everyone's getting so heated about. Can't see Murph did anything untoward at any point. They're racing competitively, so the odd thump in the rear, while regrettable, was clearly not intentional and at no point did the driver continue to push after contact was made. Perhaps a little over-aggressive, but really nothing serious. Final biff resulted from locked rears so a mistake. I'm sure we've all made one or two of those in our lives.

I'm more concerned about the 888 car nearly wiping out the FPR under yellow flags, now that is worthy of comment.

[davester]

DJJ, now your obsessive crusade over TKR has evaporated, are you looking for a new target?

Maybe you need to get involved in V8 Supercar for real, and just maybe you'll understand that despite best efforts, some will have great weekends, some will have shockers.

You rarely have anything good to say, so why not spend your time seeking something that makes you happy.

[opinion8head]

Originally Posted by davester

DJJ, now your obsessive crusade over TKR has evaporated, are you looking for a new target?

" ...the crusade's NOT over !"


You rarely have anything good to say, so why not spend your time seeking something that makes you happy.

DJJ... keep up the good work, what you have to say opens many eyes, makes me happy, among others


Woolley...all I saw was an experienced Murph, racing cool ,when a lesser steerer may have succumbed to the presure.Made this race memorable IMO.
T8/FPR... thats what they do, and seem to get away with. Now if it had been Murph..........?

[johnh875]

Originally Posted by Woolley

I'm more concerned about the 888 car nearly wiping out the FPR under yellow flags, now that is worthy of comment.

Bit hard to ping someone for "nearly" doing something, although I agree it was too close a call under yellows. But what about Rick Kelly going off after Courtney beached his car in the sand (per youtube clip linked in the other thread) - surely losing control and spinning off under yellows should be a penalisable offence!

[Malfunction Junction]

As much as it kills me to say it, Rick may have to be forgiven due to the debris Courtney may have left on the racing line.

That said, it might be worth a quiet word behind the sheds......

[DJJ]

Originally Posted by davester

DJJ, now your obsessive crusade over TKR has evaporated, are you looking for a new target?

Maybe you need to get involved in V8 Supercar for real, and just maybe you'll understand that despite best efforts, some will have great weekends, some will have shockers.

You rarely have anything good to say, so why not spend your time seeking something that makes you happy.

Sorry? you came into this thread just to have a go at me. Maybe you should be seeking your own advise.

[DJJ]

Originally Posted by Woolley

Watched the clip several times, struggling to work out what everyone's getting so heated about. Can't see Murph did anything untoward at any point. They're racing competitively, so the odd thump in the rear, while regrettable, was clearly not intentional and at no point did the driver continue to push after contact was made. Perhaps a little over-aggressive, but really nothing serious. Final biff resulted from locked rears so a mistake. I'm sure we've all made one or two of those in our lives.

I'm more concerned about the 888 car nearly wiping out the FPR under yellow flags, now that is worthy of comment.

FPR said he had brake fade, hence my argument why sit on his arese increasing temps.

Brake fade is bull**** the car had no balance. It was a set up problem.

Did you not see the hit threw turn 3 or 4 where he lost his headlight.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by johnh875

Bit hard to ping someone for "nearly" doing something, although I agree it was too close a call under yellows. But what about Rick Kelly going off after Courtney beached his car in the sand (per youtube clip linked in the other thread) - surely losing control and spinning off under yellows should be a penalisable offence!

Surely driving your car dropping fluids on the racing line is more of an offence? Blind freddy could see that car was mc****ed, why James couldn't can't be explained.
As for the yellow, he would have already been at speed, and it would have only been a local yellow, which is probably why he locked the rears (to slow for the yellow)

[Just Do It!]

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[Pro Racer]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

Surely driving your car dropping fluids on the racing line is more of an offence? Blind freddy could see that car was mc****ed, why James couldn't can't be explained.
As for the yellow, he would have already been at speed, and it would have only been a local yellow, which is probably why he locked the rears (to slow for the yellow)

and who in their right mind would go at the speed he di into turn one with the car all ****ed up????? the distance it took him to pull it up showed this and anyone who knew (99.9% of all people) the car was stuffed would have left it where it was anyone knew no matter if it even got through turn 1 the thing wouldn't of made the full lap after a hit like that.

[STEALTHY]

Originally Posted by Pro Racer

and who in their right mind would go at the speed he di into turn one with the car all ****ed up????? the distance it took him to pull it up showed this and anyone who knew (99.9% of all people) the car was stuffed would have left it where it was anyone knew no matter if it even got through turn 1 the thing wouldn't of made the full lap after a hit like that.

The thing is, he was right near pit entrance. 5 metres hugging the fence line, and whip it around into the pits, simple. Of course, i know thats expecting too much of James, being James. It just seems way too obvious.

[opinion8head]

Originally Posted by STEALTHY

The thing is, he was right near pit entrance. 5 metres hugging the fence line, and whip it around into the pits, simple. Of course, i know thats expecting too much of James, being James. It just seems way too obvious.

Absolutely...
I'll bet his crew would like to give Crashney,
Malfunction Junctions, "words behind the shed"
Wasting the car AND their efforts...