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5 Dec 2017, 00:06 (Ref:3785149) | #1 | |
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DJRTP Seeks Clarification/Education On McLaughlin Speeding Penalty
According to Noon's, DJTP are protesting the pit lane speed penalty as they are adamant they didn't exceed the 40 kph limit.
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What could possibly be changed by winning that protest? Is it purely about vindication?
Also, has it been confirmed wether Supercars use a radar or GPS timing loop for enforcing the pit lane limit? |
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If there was an error in the distance between the two loops, then more cars would have been pinged for speeding. If the transponder was faulty or failing, the timing team would have been able to detect that and therefore not put as much trust in the result. It wasn't faulty or failing At this juncture, Supercars have an absolute time measurement over the 5m distance. The only way that anyone could possibly say that Supercars is wrong is if the team has one source of information that clearly shows the time taken to transit the lane. Linking data to video to assume where a vehicle is (to a margin of error of 0.0212 seconds as taken from spooks post above) is not going to be feasibly good enough to be relied upon. |
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surely DJRTP want to know how they got it wrong so they can learn from this for next time
happens in ball sports all the time |
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How do we know that the pics above match the data with it. They are from different sources |
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In all modern sports, there is always a question of human element. I know this as an AFl umpire, yes I missed some, made a to call to quickly , saw only half of the incident, but generally umpired the game in the spirit of things. Like the NRL, the cowboys excepted they didnt play the best in one grand final, but how many tackles can you have. If you know QLD, north bound from Bris there is a speed camera. It had a horrid history of picking speeding cars in the south bound lanes, but picture, cars in the northbound lanes. Interesting court case over a period of time, the woman was never cleared of speeding, just the unit wasn't calibrated or the operator wasn't trained correctly. It cost a lot of dollars , no fine , but never cleared of supposed speeding. If you hang out in Vic, there is a point to point (Supercars system) that catches ppl out . It uses the , distance x time system. That is if u are doing the speed limit all is good, but if you hit it hard, then try to slow down,sad, you have exceeded the time, thefore you where speeding. All DJRTP want to know, is this: Supercars supply the unit in the cars. ( remeber Ambrose and some extra wires) Supercars installed the system on the circuit Supercars also have volunteers(CAMS Officials) , who have completed the course on RadarGun operation. Is there a fault with the unit in the car, is there a fault with the readings or settings. If you are a team owner in a controlled equipment series, and you got pinged, wouldn't you like to know which piece of equipment wasn't working correctly. They bang on all the time about this , and the great Tim, said, we can tell by the telemetry what a car is doing .. I myself don't have a side in this. Do we go back to stop watches, men in white coats, or do we go forward and use electronic systems. To me , I would go with modern equipment, sensors, light beams, point to point, take out the finger on the radar gun, making pit entry a tadd longer to slow down, unlike govt roads, where you do 100k's , but as soon as you exit, jump on the brakes to 60 ks or less but thats my view |
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Whilst we're at it, get rid of these Judges of Fact that change from event to event. Assign a set of officials for the whole year for the category. There's too much at stake, sponsors, prize money, gambling and so on, to be messing around with volunteers in positions like this. Yes they all do a great job and these events wouldn't happen without them, but there's some positions that need full timers in them. |
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If it is a matter if such importance, why aren’t all teams invited to understand how the process works? |
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They are apparently seeking clarification though: Review |
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Hopefully nothing comes of this. The 2017 championship would have a huge asterisk next to it, not to mention the integrity of Supercars itself.
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Same as when a ref makes a mistake during the football grand final. The result is when they blow the final whistle, they don't go back and change the result even if it's proven the ref got it wrong.
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The TV viewer switches off the TV or the spectator leaves the race track only to find later on the results have been changed. Happens far too much in motorsport. Happens only very rarely in other sports. |
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That has been in question for a number of years, as has the race administration. I agree the horse has bolted, as the protest period is long gone. But nothing wrong with proving the penalty was assigned erroneously, as it might prevent further poor snap decisions....like the penalising of drivers in the Phillip Island round who crossed a white line painted on the pit entry road, only after they had been spotted transgressing on the tv broadcast. |
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To me the data is clear as day. It's mistake from the officials. Nothing can or will ever come of this though.
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