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For as long as it takes for the truck to pass through both gantries.
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So after a decent wait, the DJRTP / VASC meeting has been held and....... well nothing. Both parties telling the same story, the anomaly remains but everyone respecting the others opinion. The end.
Roll on 2018! https://www.speedcafe.com/2017/12/20/djrtp-releases-statement-regarding-pit-lane-review/ Last edited by ford71; 20 Dec 2017 at 01:50. Reason: adding link |
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To me this is unacceptable - either Penske were wrong and caused a lot of fuss over nothing or there was something wrong with Supercars timing system. Closure is needed.
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Someone got is wrong and as a result likely effected the championship outcome. Funny thing is, I doubt either party will change a thing with their systems either since it appears both trust their sources.
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here is DJRTP statment
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So no better method implies Supercars data is more accurate than Penske. Why then doesn't the article say Supercars right, Penske wrong?
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Same thing really. Release looks like a bit of face saving to me, also not wanting to stir up anything more. It’s good that they’ve drawn a line under it, although the same meeting could have happened with no releases & reached the same outcome. |
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20 Dec 2017, 07:06 (Ref:3788267) | #88 | |
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That's my point though mate, some of the comments on social media about this really had me worried - just scary how some deal with things not going their way. I feel like Supercars needed to say "we were right, our methodology is as good as it gets". Instead what we got is a response that will surely fuel the conspiracies.
Missed opportunity to show the fans how technologically savvy the series is when it comes this issue |
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But the truth is. They did say their system is correct 100% accurate. Fool proof even. did it soon after the dJR press release. they even explained the system Its DJR who are trying to do the dirty thing here, bring in other forms of unrelated data and trying to match them, and that just fanned the flames of some hurt people. For the record (again) I believe the punishment is too harsh, should be same as a jump start. Can see no logical reason to have it different |
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Any team in any competition can ask for clarification. The media release from both organisations in regards to this request to clarify, is like the writing of a politicians speech during an election campaign I don't support either organisation, but like most ppl, and like a lot on this forum, we just want clarity, and consistency Onwards and upwards for 2018 |
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Surely the correct method of measurement is whatever it is defined as in the regulations which apply to that particular meeting, venue or series. People can offer alternatives but if the judge of fact measures it in a defined method then it's the same for all.
In other words, 'thank you for your input, but we do it like this'. End of discussion. |
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20 Dec 2017, 21:33 (Ref:3788412) | #92 | |
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Problem is Penske has shown their (questionable) data, which has seeded doubt amongst some. This could have potentially been mitigated by the release of data from Supercars itself.
The perception amongst some seems to be coverup - yesterdays release only strengthed that spurious argument. |
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As far as i can see there is only one bit of data that can be given. the speed over the distance. ie 43kmh (or whatever speed it is) |
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Sorry I don't mean data in the sense that you or I would recognise, more something that the viewers could identify with. That's where I believe Penske did so well - presentation. They had pretty pictures with speed overlayed etc and it seemed to be effective in swaying people. I don't like to say it, but maybe the message needs to be dumbed down ala Penskes pretty pictures presentation to really penetrate viewerland.
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I guess we could jazz it up to look like this, but thats all there is (i used shell colours ) 43 km/h |
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Would have thought it's easy enough for V8SC to publish the time taken to cover the 5m.... and if you're system is that accurate, what is the use of the leeway Baird spoke of? |
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What are the known variables in the whole system?
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If they dont know that, really the data is wasted. If it also helps, if you are calling into doubt the time travelled over the timing loop, you are also calling into doubt if Scott got all those pole positions legitimately, and especially the accuracy of those 1000th of a second they use to separate the cars |
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