'red wall tyres' idea....

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by JohnSSC

My suspicion is that of the "new" drivers guys like AD, who put in a lot of testing miles over the years, are going to be way better off than the Hamiltons and Kovalinnens (hope I spelled that right, V) who just don't have the miles (and therefore the "feel" of the tires) under their belts.

But AD has no more experience of the Bridgestone than HK or LH does, so should be an even playing field. Incidently, at the tests back in december, HK did more testing miles than any other driver, so i think he should be alright

[Raz0rRacing]

Great idea, but like said above never get to F1!

[Marbot]

MW and DC pan tyre rule.What do they know!

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?PO_ID=38348

[Last2LiftOff]

One thing for sure Martyn:

“...what the drivers say about that is absolutely not important…”

[Kieran20]

i think DC and webber have a point there tbh.at the end of the race when everything has settlesd down, and drivers are backing off to preserve there engines etc, they will just bolt on the slower set for he last stint.

[chillibowl]

i dont really know where DC is coming from here. i remember last year he was involved in a few last stint battles involving other mid pack teams. i imagine he would have loved a set of "fast" tires when Nico chased him down in Bahrain.

[Mr V]

Originally Posted by chillibowl

i dont really know where DC is coming from here. i remember last year he was involved in a few last stint battles involving other mid pack teams. i imagine he would have loved a set of "fast" tires when Nico chased him down in Bahrain.

Trouble is, if all the other "mid pack" drivers use their faster tyres mid race while DC and MW use their slower tyres mid race, the RBR drivers will be so far behind then their faster tyres for the last stint won't be enough.

[Marbot]

The drivers will still have to set their cars up to run well on both specs of tyre.

It's no good being a second a lap faster than everyone else on the soft tyre if you're 3 seconds a lap slower than the rest on the hard tyre.Friday practice should be quite busy I think.

[Last2LiftOff]

Chillibowl, I think "where DC is coming from" is, excepting only in extraordinary situations, who among them is not going to want the quickest tyres on their car for the start of a race?

Kinda like on page 1:

Originally Posted by BootsOntheSide

Won't everybody use their soft tyres for qualifying and the first stint?

[Bleu]

Then, interesting to see tyres if we have late-race SC like in Montreal last year. The drivers are queued and there might be different tyre strategies.

Well, surely there is one "optimum" strategy but if you qualify badly then it might be clever to try something different.

[Kieran20]

Originally Posted by Bleu

Then, interesting to see tyres if we have late-race SC like in Montreal last year. The drivers are queued and there might be different tyre strategies.

Well, surely there is one "optimum" strategy but if you qualify badly then it might be clever to try something different.

and what would that different strategy be? put on the slower tyres first and end up miles back, having to catch up at the end running the engine to the max and risk it blowing the next race?

i dont see it working.

[Sodemo]

It will be quite interesting watching a car with what will be essentially a "compromised" setup, some cars will no doubt react better than others to this trait.

[Marbot]

If,like Mclaren,you tend to do a long first stint,you may have no option but to go for the harder tyre to begin with.It all depends on how a car uses its tyres.It all depends on strategy,one,two or three stops.We can't assume that all the teams will use the same strategy.A lot depends on the difference between the compounds at each race.

[Sodemo]

We also can't assume that the softer tyre will be the faster tyre for a given car. How many times did we see drivers take a harder / softer tyre because it just *worked* better on their car, for that track...?

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by The Monster

We also can't assume that the softer tyre will be the faster tyre for a given car. How many times did we see drivers take a harder / softer tyre because it just *worked* better on their car, for that track...?

Exactly.And not just different teams,but also within the teams.

Bear in mind that if it rains and drivers use "wet" tyres,it won't be necessary to use the "slower" tyre.

[Marbot]

The FIA has stated that it intends to have the teams tyre choices for a GP made public before the start of a race,in a similar way to how it's done in MotoGP etc.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/56508

[Kieran20]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

The FIA has stated that it intends to have the teams tyre choices for a GP made public before the start of a race,in a similar way to how it's done in MotoGP etc.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/56508

so they have to use both types in the race yes?, but they have to state which tyre they are going to use?

so if they have to use both then why to they have to pick one?!

im guessing its what compund they will start the race on, that they have to make public? other wise i see it making no sense.

does the FIA check all the drivers tyres before the race to check they arent giving us wrong info?

[Marbot]

Originally Posted by Kieran20

so they have to use both types in the race yes?, but they have to state which tyre they are going to use?

Reading between the lines,it looks like the FIA want know the entire race strategy,or at least the order in which the tyres are to be used.Although it does say "initial tyre choice".

[Kieran20]

Originally Posted by martyn bott

Reading between the lines,it looks like the FIA want know the entire race strategy,or at least the order in which the tyres are to be used.Although it does say "initial tyre choice".

doesnt seem clear enough for me at the moment. how are they going to know the teams are telling the truth? for example renault could easily say soft hard and soft for a 3 stop, but then they actually use saof soft and hard.

so how is the fia going to check that? test them before they come into the pits?!

[Adam43]

That is just nitpicking. The tyres will all have serial numbers and be easily identifiable (if you've got hold of one).

I still think that it should be kept secret and it be up to us to fathom it out. Although I'm not against it being known for certain after the event. Let teams say or not whatever they want. However letting everyone know the initial compound is OK too.

[Kieran20]

Originally Posted by AdamAshmore

That is just nitpicking. The tyres will all have serial numbers and be easily identifiable (if you've got hold of one).

I still think that it should be kept secret and it be up to us to fathom it out. Although I'm not against it being known for certain after the event. Let teams say or not whatever they want. However letting everyone know the initial compound is OK too.

i know its nitpicking , but it has to be dealt with, other wise it defines the point.

[Marbot]

Sam Michael of Williams seems to think that the new regs will spice up the races,despite what others may think.


http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/56589

[racer69]

I think it's a silly idea. Another attempt to artificially mess round with the racing.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by racer69

I think it's a silly idea. Another attempt to artificially mess round with the racing.

EVERYTHING done in racing is an artificial way to mess with the racing so this is a small thing that could help competition. Having the second softer set could allow a team that misreads the track heat buildup or the weather forecast a chance for the extra speed, with the chance of tire loss, to make up some time. but the push-to-pass idea is a bad one to move to F1. esp if they keep the red sidewall on the tires like champcar does, gotta be able to tell who is risking it on the softer ones, but def has to be a limit on the sets of reds, one set usually maybe two sets for slower speeds and none for a track like Indy (bad track IMO anyway, gotta move to Laguna Seca) new to following the specs and ideas behind F1 so correct me in anything dumb I may say over the next few posts. Also will they be offering multiple compounds for the individual teams to choose from for their tuning? thinking like 3-4 compounds or so and then the next softer set being that teams reds for the race.