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Old 24 Jan 2025, 13:00 (Ref:4242131)   #26
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Evans currently leading but it's very close between the top 7 at the moment - which has to be a good sign. I saw Ogier had dropped time last night with a half spin - without that he's probably be ahead, still looks like he's ultimately the man to beat in Monte Carlo?
Kalle seems to be quicker this morning, but not quite as near the sharp end as I expected.

Neuville has got his title defense off about as well as I expected; car off the road in SS6 this morning. Moment for Tanak as well and he has also dropped time (not as much though).

Two very impressive times from Munster this morning, second on SS4 and SS6. Looks like they got the tyre choice right and he has made the most of it.

First Hyundai stage win of the year goes to Fourmaux. Exactly what he needs if he doesn't want to be relegated to the wingman role.
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Old 25 Jan 2025, 12:38 (Ref:4242213)   #27
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Fourmaux leading the Hyundai charge after a pretty disastrous Friday for both Neuville and Tanak. Tanak's expression when he realized he'd left half the rear end in the ditch was classic! Ogier strong as usual on home soil but it's alll to play for with Evans only 20 secs adrift going to to Saturday afternoon .
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Old 25 Jan 2025, 17:45 (Ref:4242259)   #28
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What a stunning drive from Tanak on SS15 to take the stage win on a really muddy surface late Saturday, Elfyn moves back into 2nd place overall trailing Ogier by 20secs and once again Fourmaux leads the Hyundai charge ahead of Tanak. It's going to be a brave drive early doors Sunday morning with icy conditions.
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Old 25 Jan 2025, 20:38 (Ref:4242337)   #29
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Was actually initially impressed by Munster, was up there in times on day 1, clearly bunged it l;ater
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Old 25 Jan 2025, 20:42 (Ref:4242343)   #30
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What a stunning drive from Tanak on SS15 to take the stage win on a really muddy surface late Saturday, Elfyn moves back into 2nd place overall trailing Ogier by 20secs and once again Fourmaux leads the Hyundai charge ahead of Tanak. It's going to be a brave drive early doors Sunday morning with icy conditions.
That drive was immense. Took a chunk of time off everyone, including Ogier.

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Was actually initially impressed by Munster, was up there in times on day 1, clearly bunged it l;ater
He has to retire on the road section at the end of day 1 (they said electric issue initially, but the coverage today suggested it was more serious).

Stage win for Munster today and some more quick times. Real shame that the problem pushed him down the order, but still an encouraging weekend for him.
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Old 27 Jan 2025, 11:26 (Ref:4242781)   #31
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So Monte win number 10 for Ogier, an incredible record - he said afterwards that it might be his last one so at least someone else will get a chance to win now!

A few people caught out late on by the conditions - Munster, Pajari and Katsuta all with off road moments. Neuville was really in damage limitation from the moment he deranged his rear suspension on Friday, Tanak recovered well from his redesign of the Hyundai, Formeaux was impressive on his Hyundai debut.

With Ogier only doing a part season again it's advantage Evans early on with his most likely rivals all having dramas (the Hyundais falling off the road and Rovanpera was strangely subdued all weekend). With Ogier not being there for the full season should Toyota have swapped Ogier and Evans? Would have been harsh on Seb but we've seen titles decided by less than the points difference for 1st and 2nd on an event.
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So Monte win number 10 for Ogier, an incredible record - he said afterwards that it might be his last one so at least someone else will get a chance to win now!
His interview at the end of the rally certainly seemed to imply that it was his last Monte, didn't it? Give it 12 months though and he might have changed his mind!

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Neuville was really in damage limitation from the moment he deranged his rear suspension on Friday, Tanak recovered well from his redesign of the Hyundai, Formeaux was impressive on his Hyundai debut.
I know it is too early to make sweeping statements, but pretty much exactly what I expected from Neuville. As you say from that first prang onwards he was in damage limitation mode. I have my doubts he'll be in the top three this year.

Superb Hyundai debut from Fourmaux. A podium and crucially (I think) a finish ahead of both of his teammates. Really think that is needed to avoid him being relegated to a wingman position this season.

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and Rovanpera was strangely subdued all weekend
He seemed a bit more with it yesterday, but I thought he was very subdued on Friday and Saturday. Perhaps he is just lulling the rest of them into a false sense of security?

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With Ogier not being there for the full season should Toyota have swapped Ogier and Evans?
I wondered if that might come on the last stage. I would have understood if they had done it, but I am glad that they didn't. Aside from one moment, Ogier didn't put a foot wrong all weekend.

Biggest surprise of the weekend had to be Munster. I know road position was a factor but, even so, a stage win, several second places and generally really good pace. Massive shame the car had issues and he left the road yesterday but despite all that I still think it was a really strong weekend for him.

Very tentative start from Josh McErlean. I don't think it is fair to draw any conclusions at this point, but it is clearly a steep learning curve in the Rally1 car and there is a lot of speed needing to close the gap to the rest of the field.
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Old 27 Jan 2025, 16:30 (Ref:4242793)   #33
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His interview at the end of the rally certainly seemed to imply that it was his last Monte, didn't it? Give it 12 months though and he might have changed his mind!
It definitely had an air of finality about it - can't deny that the performance is still there though!

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I know it is too early to make sweeping statements, but pretty much exactly what I expected from Neuville. As you say from that first prang onwards he was in damage limitation mode. I have my doubts he'll be in the top three this year.
It was a messy event for Neuville (and Tanak to some extent). Top 3 is doable - assume Evans, Rovanpera and Tanak will be in the conversation for that as well. Maybe Formeaux if he can build on a great start.

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Superb Hyundai debut from Fourmaux. A podium and crucially (I think) a finish ahead of both of his teammates. Really think that is needed to avoid him being relegated to a wingman position this season.
Agreed, an impressive start to his Hyundai life - gives him a good position over his teammates in the points as well. If he can keep scoring consistently then it could prove hard for Hyundai to get him to play the team game and help the other two.

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He seemed a bit more with it yesterday, but I thought he was very subdued on Friday and Saturday. Perhaps he is just lulling the rest of them into a false sense of security?
From what I read he wasn't 100% comfortable with the new tyres, it was something all of the drivers had to deal with but maybe he will get up to speed once he's got a handle on the rubber?

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I wondered if that might come on the last stage. I would have understood if they had done it, but I am glad that they didn't. Aside from one moment, Ogier didn't put a foot wrong all weekend.
Agreed, it would have made sense from a drivers championship persoective but I'm glad they didn't do it.

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Biggest surprise of the weekend had to be Munster. I know road position was a factor but, even so, a stage win, several second places and generally really good pace. Massive shame the car had issues and he left the road yesterday but despite all that I still think it was a really strong weekend for him.
A solid start as team leader at M-Sport. Again though technical issues with the car - the Ford does seem to be the most troublesome of the Rally 1 cars. I thought getting rid of the hybrid might have solved some of the problems but it looks like there are still gremlins in the Ford.

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Very tentative start from Josh McErlean. I don't think it is fair to draw any conclusions at this point, but it is clearly a steep learning curve in the Rally1 car and there is a lot of speed needing to close the gap to the rest of the field.
I think he took a sensible approach to the event - get to the end, learn the car, learn the stages. Realistically he's not in the conversation for titles so at the moment he's better off getting mileage under his belt. Seems to be the way for M-Sport, drivers learn their top level craft there and then head off to another team. I don't know how many of the events on this years calendar Josh has done before (at any level)?
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Old 30 Jan 2025, 21:01 (Ref:4243096)   #34
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Has anyone in the UK seen the ITV4 Monte highlights show yet and if so, what did you think?

I was watching the action with all my muscles involuntarily tensed up, how they drive in those conditions is truly super-human. I actually let out a couple of loud yelps watching some of Fourmaux's onboard. I was convinced he would sooner or later have the mother and father of all shunts. He was driving so aggressively, on the absolute limit and his lines! I'm amazed he didn't roll the car into a small ball. Clearly, he was determined to make a point but a very risky strategy.
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Has anyone in the UK seen the ITV4 Monte highlights show yet and if so, what did you think?
I watched it since Red Bull TV no longer has the daily highlights.


Music playing over all of the footage of the cars on the stages is a strange decision. Couldn't even hear the cars at some points.


Not sure why they used clips from the live commentary, either. Surely dedicated commentary like the daily shows would provide a more cohesive overview of the event?


Also not sure why ITV have their own presenter inserted into the show. I imagine she has another role within WRC somewhere because it seems a bit unnecessary to fly someone around the world just to record pre and post-ad break bits.


Shan't bother in future, I'll have to find the daily highlights somewhere else online!
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Yeah, Red Bull have dropped the highlights they used to show.....another cost based decision no wonder.
And the ITV highlights were not exactly inspiring........

The WRC doesn't help itself at all.

And in other news, Ford announce a LMDh programme for the WEC from 2027......I doubt they'll be relying on 'pay drivers' to drive their entries.
Another manufacturer for the WEC, whilst the WRC looks on wondering......
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I watched it since Red Bull TV no longer has the daily highlights.


Music playing over all of the footage of the cars on the stages is a strange decision. Couldn't even hear the cars at some points.


Not sure why they used clips from the live commentary, either. Surely dedicated commentary like the daily shows would provide a more cohesive overview of the event?


Also not sure why ITV have their own presenter inserted into the show. I imagine she has another role within WRC somewhere because it seems a bit unnecessary to fly someone around the world just to record pre and post-ad break bits.


Shan't bother in future, I'll have to find the daily highlights somewhere else online!
I found the whole thing jarring, it was clearly a new approach but I thought commentary was meant to inform? They weren't doing that well in the latter as it was anyway over the last however many years, typically glossing over why x or y retired, the real reasons stages were cancelled etc but this show felt like the YT 'pure sounds' videos which are popular but I daresay, works because folks already know the results. The commentary rarely mentioned gaps or even what stage we were on? I was just puzzled by the whole thing in-between my jaw hitting the floor from Fourmaux's brief onboards.

I understand times move on and we adapt and perhaps this is what the modern audience wants but it's gonna take some getting used to. Right now, it just felt like, 'look at some pretty clips of cars on the stages'. I know the days of concise highlights show commentary calmly delivered are seemingly long gone (the epitome of this was the Top Gear Rally shows from 25 years ago, highly informative and all packed into just 30mins) and it has been replaced by hysterical screaming and hyperbole because apparently that's what gets attention now. I guess if the casual viewer is doing their house chores or something and it happens to be on in the background, the only way you might get them to look is when you're screaming at them.

Put up or shut up I suppose.
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I found the whole thing jarring, it was clearly a new approach but I thought commentary was meant to inform? They weren't doing that well in the latter as it was anyway over the last however many years, typically glossing over why x or y retired, the real reasons stages were cancelled etc but this show felt like the YT 'pure sounds' videos which are popular but I daresay, works because folks already know the results. The commentary rarely mentioned gaps or even what stage we were on? I was just puzzled by the whole thing in-between my jaw hitting the floor from Fourmaux's brief onboards.

I understand times move on and we adapt and perhaps this is what the modern audience wants but it's gonna take some getting used to. Right now, it just felt like, 'look at some pretty clips of cars on the stages'. I know the days of concise highlights show commentary calmly delivered are seemingly long gone (the epitome of this was the Top Gear Rally shows from 25 years ago, highly informative and all packed into just 30mins) and it has been replaced by hysterical screaming and hyperbole because apparently that's what gets attention now. I guess if the casual viewer is doing their house chores or something and it happens to be on in the background, the only way you might get them to look is when you're screaming at them.

Put up or shut up I suppose.
The music was bloody annoying on the ITV coverage. I too am hoping this isn't a permanent change. However, when I thought about it, I am sure we've had this before on the Monty. It's ringing bells that I remember cringing at similar coverage on the Monty in the past, but everything went back to normal at the next round. Hopefully, that will be the case again.

As for the Rally, it looked an excellent scrap at the front. Superb from Formeaux. He was really going for it. That'll give his teammates something to think about!
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