T Break thread 2023

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

How can a motorbike engine be a derivative of the original car engine? But regardless, I do think that they do permit other cars in an invitation class when the cars are in "the spirit" rather than original.

As I read it if the original car ran a bike engine then it can run in the class, and it can be a modern version thereof. I think it's a case of 1500 gt Anglias being able to run a Ford twink or a pinto engine but not a bike or Nissan engine.

[Mike Harte]

Sorry if this reads as though I'm just trying to start an argument, but I've taken this from the CSCC's official report of their meeting this year at Mallory which I think supports my response:

"Regular pacesetter Andy Southcott secured pole position with the day’s first 100mph lap in a truncated session. His MG Lenham Midget circulated in 47.309 seconds, almost 5s clear of Thomas Carey’s BDG-powered Honda CRX silhouette special. "

[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

Sorry if this reads as though I'm just trying to start an argument, but I've taken this from the CSCC's official report of their meeting this year at Mallory which I think supports my response:

No problem. Was the Honda an original race car with that engine?

[andy97]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

Modern as in derivatives of the original.

No, modern as in modern, thus a Duratec engine could be used in an Anglia if you wanted, in the “modern engined class”.Dont see any reason why a Nissan engine Midget could not compete in the relevant CSCC Special Saloon and Modsports class.
The car could also race in the CSCC “Open Series” as, by definition, that series is open to any closed wheel saloon, sports car or Gt that does not fit in to any other CSCC series.

[Mike Harte]

Originally Posted by Peter Mallett

No problem. Was the Honda an original race car with that engine?

Peter, and Max, the answer to this question from Dave Smith is as follows - from the CSCC FB page:

Hi Mike, i can back what Mark has replied with that there are now no restrictions at all regards what engine goes in what car or which end of the car i guess. The only thing I can add is that if the engine is a relatively new style engine ( not used before 1993 ) the car thts using it will be put in what we call the `Modern` Engined class( es) which runs parallel to the existing `classic` engined classes.

Hope this helps.

[midgetman]

Mike thank you so much for asking - your FB question was the first item on my FB feed when I got home from work tonight!

I should have been more specific. MiniMM was building the car for the Midget Challenge and as such is pulling 80bhp on 5.5" List 1 tyres. He doesn't fancy taking on slick-shod mega-motor modsports hordes, although that was offered to him!

The original brief was to build an alternative to the "road going" class A-Series engine, the Nissan conversion has worked out about half the price of a decent 1380. He'd been originally accepted in the Invitation class, although there had been a hiccup along the way he was hoping to be reinstated under the MGCC but CSCC have said not in the Midget series.

It's fine, it's not a biggie, I'm still a huge supporter of all the CSCC does.

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[Peter Mallett]

Originally Posted by Mike Harte

How can a motorbike engine be a derivative of the original car engine? But regardless, I do think that they do permit other cars in an invitation class when the cars are in "the spirit" rather than original.

My point was that if the car originally raced in period with a bike engine, as many did, then a derivative of that engine would meet the regs. But, as you say they've changed the rules (not regs) to include "specials".

[Mike Harte]

I saw that yet another driver who caused death by dangerous driving plus whilst under the influence of drugs has been given a sentence of only 9 years. Why so short a period?

The sentencing guidelines are a maximum of only 14 years, and I wonder why it's so low? Surely the offence is just as serious as manslaughter, for example, which can carry a sentence of life imprisonment? OK, I know that that is not a whole of life tariff, but at least we could bang up these individuals for a really long time because they care not a jot for the general public, especially up here in West Yorkshire.

[midgetman]

Originally Posted by midgetman

I've just watched the first part of Disney's Keanu Reeves documentary about Brawn GP.

A proper, serous programme about F1 at last, no "sleb" interviews or silly gimmicks to ramp up the artificial tension, just the personalities involved. Looking forward to the rest of the series when I get chance to watch it.

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Just watched Part 2. So well put together. Very interesting and everything we suspected about the FOTA/FIA "war" was true.

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[Tel 911S]

Originally Posted by Lancsbreaker

Having left the EU (pace all Remainers ) UK is at least spared the Vnuk insurance requirement for race cars.....although a fair chunk of a race entry fee does of course go towards the MSUK's insurance.......


I'm sure for many Clubmen the trend identified by CSCC, whereby the same number of racers continue, but competing in less events per year, thereby saving on one or two event entry fees, plus the associated transport and accommodation costs, is the only viable solution. It does of course mean that all the non-event specific costs - PPE, licence, medical etc are spread across less events so each event is more expensive, but something has to give....

Totally off topic , but was going through some old rally details recently and came across your name listed for events . Like YPRES in 1989 , among others .
https://www.ewrc-results.com/
Quite a good site , but it does not have all events on there , about half of the Internationals I did are not shown , but still interesting and a bit of nostalgia .

[Lancsbreaker]

Originally Posted by Tel 911S

Totally off topic , but was going through some old rally details recently and came across your name listed for events . Like YPRES in 1989 , among others .
https://www.ewrc-results.com/
Quite a good site , but it does not have all events on there , about half of the Internationals I did are not shown , but still interesting and a bit of nostalgia .

Yes its quite a good site, I actually looked myself up on it a bit ago which helped me remember a few details about events I'd done.....I'd been trying to retrospectively build up a record of my rallying years - because of course back in the day I never thought to keep much by way of records.... I've got about 42 listed so far, but my earlier ones (pre-78 are lost to my shonky memory and the fact that results weren't computerised back then! And of course the earlier ones were mainly smaller events - and its mainly the larger, National or International ones that get recorded.....