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Obviously I am joking there, but you bring up a serious point. The sooner we ban transport and progress the better. We might want things to go back to horse and cart, but in the interests of fairness here is a hydrogen bus behaving like other normal buses and not exploding. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0tUWPR4nzE |
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As we all know, petrol is in no way dangerous.
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They've had a number of years in which to observe how hybrids have worked out F1 and if the racing remains close, I don't see this being the death of IndyCar.
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Does anyone think the manufacturer-based model has failed because they have made it an explicit goal in F1 policymaking as opposed to the F1-road car links all being happy accidents?
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Imo, Honda's leaving F1 is more a testament to their own failure in F1 rather than the F1 model itself failing.
Not to say F1 doesnt have problems of course but very few highlights for Honda in the past 20. Personally i dont see the RB wins as clear cut successes for Honda which really only leaves Super Aguri's Sato using Honda power to pass Alonso's Merc powered McLaren (Monty 2007?) as my only lasting memory. That and they gave away a chassis that won a title with another manus engine. Just my opinion but cant place Honda's failure on F1/FOM. |
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One of the big reasons this failed is because it (accidentally) transfers the power to the manufacturers. In previous rules sets where it was not meant to be specifically about road cars, manufacturers came and went when it suited them. You had a constant flow through the series. When there wasn't many manufacturers it was fine because the gap was filled by smaller engine builders, or Cosworth who more different types of engines than we've all had hot dinners combined. The power was with the series, knowing the teams were coming and going. By committing to road car relevance you're basically letting manufacturers dictate what they want the rules to be. They build the cars, therefore they can call the shots on what they want. When you actually deconstruct the state of F1, it's kinda of crazy. Why are we determined to have power trains that are relevant to manufacturers? Meanwhile we can't put a roof on the car because that isn't F1. We mandate tyres that fall to bits for the show. We have brakes that really don't last very long (one could argue that is road relevant - my Fiesta is chewing brakes at the moment!). And we have massive aerodynamic layouts which are not even remotely close to road cars. We just need the philosophy for the engines to be the same as brakes, aero, fuel, tyres etc. It should be about the sport, not about manufacturers getting what they want. Mandate a minimum engine size of 4L and minimum cylinder count of V8s and get rid of all hybrid and turbos and you'll get rid of all the manufacturer engines immediately and bring back smaller manufacturers. The brand names will still come and go, but you'll now have more popular engines at a lower cost. |
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I thought the reason manufacturers got involved in F1 and motorsport in general, was primarily because it was a good vehicle for marketing their road cars and not necessarily because of road car relevance.
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indeed and until they bought teams that was the case. Now road relevance is an excuse for profligate expenditure and a closed shop.
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I see no need for road relevance, or indeed manufacturers in F1. Although not against them at all.
Being in it and doing well at what always going to be an engineering challenge is a good thing for any manufacturer surely? More important that the actual tech. This is what our engineers can do. It can teach their young engineers how to think, adapt, act quickly, etc... Not that I think there is much movement between an F1 team and the road car R&D. Shame. Unfortunately I don’t think that the marketing people understand this or possibly the people watching. |
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