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Even though we've engaged in plenty of banter about this and all's fair in love, war and internet discussions, the fact remains that a lot of people ('fans' or otherwise) don't share that inherent love of the sport for the sport's sake. I like vegetables and believe they're a great thing, but I don't like to eat all vegetables, as some of them don't excite my taste buds. I want more from my vegetables than just the fact that they're vegetables and they're a wonder of nature for the fact that they grow for us to eat.....
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LH on the concept of a 'super weekend' format.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/h...or-f1/3188562/ while he is not really suggesting anything new, nor a concrete plan, he raises a point that some tracks have a tendency to produce uneventful races and should look to a change in format. he briefly throws up the idea of reverse grids but he has suggested earlier this year some tracks look at running in the opposite direction. probably a non starter for some, but with too many races (imo) on the calendar i cant say im completely against the idea of some races doing something different in a hope to generate more interest/excitement. Barcelona and Sochi probably are at he top of my list of races that could stand for less of the same. |
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As such, the group 'F1 fans' simply doesn't exist as anything tangible. It's an empty and valueless concept. The statement 'doing something for the fans' is completely meaningless. At the very best it means catering to what the most vocal minority seem to want. Ask anyone who calls themselves a fan what they want from F1 and you get a million different answers. And there's the fact that most of them don't even really know what they want, and what they say they want is not actually what they really want. Oh, and if they get what they want they don't recognize it, complain and want it back to the way it used to be. This is not me calling everyone stupid, I am just as susceptible to this as anyone else. It took quite a bit of effort to put my thoughts into suggestions earlier in this thread, and even if F1 took all my suggestions there would be unintended consequences that I would complain about incessantly One of the reasons for this is that there are broadly two types of people who follow F1: people who like racing and people who like F1 for other reasons (aka Alonso. More people watched him test an IndyCar than there were people watching for the entire rest of the season combined). A community such as this clearly falls in the first category. I reckon this is a very small minority though. F1 is a self-fulfilling prophecy: it says it's the highest form of motorsport so it is. As long as enough people (manufacturers, sponsors, drivers etc) buy into that idea it will remain that. I forget who coined this phrase but it applies here: F1 is famous for being famous. It's the history, the stories, the equity. All that means any attempt to try to cater to either group will fail. And that's why in my view it should always try to go back to the fundamentals: twenty-odd cars going round a track for a certain number of laps and whoever crosses the line first wins. Whatever happens just before or just after that they can try whatever they like. Just try to leave the middle part alone as much as possible. |
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This confirms why the current format is definitely not racing. Nor is it even a technical challenge. https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/13...etely-cruising
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but doesnt a more durable tire mean a slower car?
i do like the notion of a lower/thinner gauge tire as suggested by LH in that article...many wont like that though as i assume it will mean more pit stops will be necessary. dont want to get bogged down by what or how we all define 'racing' but surely slower isnt racing...or is it..or maybe there doesnt need to be a trade off between the two? an off topic point, but still amazed by Eliud Kipchoge's recent marathon record...essentially redefining what we think of as racing by running 26 consecutive miles at 4min 38 sec per mile. one no longer has to manage pace while maximizing speed over distance. |
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I don't to watch racing where the team spends $350 Million a year and has to crawl around during on their tyres...
Less emphasis on engineering and a lot more on the talent of the driver... |
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There are plenty of series where there is more emphasis on the driver but F1 is every bit as much about engineering as it is driving.
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I think sadly, while people are happy to hand over hundreds of pounds to attend this limp wristed series it will continue to carry on, as it will on tv when for some reason tv firms are bidding for the rights to show it.
We are the ones to blame (not me personally I haven't paid a penny for F1 for 20 years, but you get my drift) Stop going to Silverstone, stop going to the F1 crap at the NEC, stop buying merchandise and computer games, stop paying SKY for it. it's the only way you will enforce change, otherwise lump it, it's partly your fault. |
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no doubt that would lead to change but everyone ceasing to spend their money in support of F1 is no guarantee that will lead to the changes many are advocating here.
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I dislike this word "spice" Richard I know its not your creation but it just rubs me up the wrong way as sounding somewhat cheap...
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I will still watch F1, because it’s what keeps me satisfied. I just hope they find the right solutions soon, as it is not good enough at the moment
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However a three day general admission to the USA Grand Prix is $198.00 which includes two concerts…..That's amazing value don't you think ?
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Based on some concerts I’ve been to that’s like getting the Grand Prix free.
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Clearly the idea for things like that is to create artificial unpredictability. When you have to do that... you know something is wrong with the series (or "product" in a commercial sense). Richard |
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I know I've said it repeatedly but why anyone expects the very top class of racing to appear as a single make series when that's not it's intention escapes me. Why torture yourselves when there's many other series with the close competition you desire? I don't torture myself by watching them just as I don't watch movies with squealing tires on sand and every crashed car exploding three times (interior, under hood/bonnet, and trunk/boot) to entertain me as I know it doesn't really work that way. 'Maybe poor examples, and an exaggeration of course, but so in principle. As even as IndyCar has made itself, there's still the top three teams dominating year after year.....the best always does, and should, rise to the top which is exactly what F1 is all about; just much higher tech which is why it's the pinnacle. |
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Where are the wheel to wheel battles for lap after lap that we used to get? I'd trade all your points for 2 or 3 cars just fighting tooth and nail. Maybe I'm just suffering from rose tinted glasses or the Hamilton generation fans have jaded me too much but I just don't see the excitement like I used to. The tech still fascinates me but I don't have to watch the races to get satisfaction from that. |
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