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Old 12 Oct 2017, 20:20 (Ref:3773917)   #51
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I'm all for free to access coverage to motor racing. Show me adverts fine, but don't put up a pay wall, it just encourages people to look for way round it. Advertising before, during and after a race as long as it isn't too excessive never puts anyone off


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If it becomes too much of knowing the secret handshake to get in the club to view the race, then you pretty much lost most of your audience. I still don't get how Creventic can stream their races with announcers and pit reporting with a camera in the pits too. We all know that 0.5% of the sportscar hardcore even know about but somehow they (Creventic) do a pretty good job of broadcasting it for anyone anywhere can watch it.

I know a group of guys that decided against this 8hr event and went to Spa to run the 12hr race there instead. It was cheaper (even though the race is longer), the whole race was streamed online so their family/friends could watch it anywhere (great way to convince your wife you are spending all of that money on hookers and blow) and there was lots more information available to potential renters well ahead of time as opposed to this 8hr race (some even wondered if it was going to happen at all).
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Old 12 Oct 2017, 21:55 (Ref:3773930)   #52
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I like it!


Yes Magnus will this weekend be running as Audi Sport Team Magnus, and as a full factory supported team for the weekend they must run the livery!

I know WRT are running as a privateer this weekend, not sure if Land have factory backing and livery for the weekend or not


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Old 13 Oct 2017, 14:48 (Ref:3774023)   #53
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Nice to see Audi supporting Magnus. But the livery doesn't integrate with the body design.

These are better examples:




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Old 13 Oct 2017, 22:02 (Ref:3774084)   #54
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One more car has dropped out (M1 GT Racing Audi), so down to 19 cars. Land paced practice today- different chassis this weekend but their Petit-winning car is in the paddock.
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Old 14 Oct 2017, 02:29 (Ref:3774104)   #55
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I wonder if this is streamed on GT1World after all... qualifying and superpole streams are already listed, but the race isn't (unrelated GT4 and GT Asia events on Sunday are still listed and usuallly all Blancpain events are listed beforehand, so by all accounts this race should be listed by now too).

Qualifying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WIURco6VJI
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Another worrying thing is that everytime CBS Sports showed a Pirelli WC race (whether live or tape-delayed), there was no live stream for that race.

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Old 14 Oct 2017, 02:34 (Ref:3774107)   #56
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Millions would pay for F1, Nascar or MotoGP.

But very few would pay for Blancpain GT.
At least WEC has carved itself a niche customer base.
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Old 14 Oct 2017, 06:41 (Ref:3774135)   #57
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I wonder if this is streamed on GT1World after all... qualifying and superpole streams are already listed, but the race isn't (unrelated GT4 and GT Asia events on Sunday are still listed and usuallly all Blancpain events are listed beforehand, so by all accounts this race should be listed by now too).

Qualifying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WIURco6VJI
Superpole: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxy3cKCbo4U

Another worrying thing is that everytime CBS Sports showed a Pirelli WC race (whether live or tape-delayed), there was no live stream for that race.
Now it is listed: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ayGF3XpyCI
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Old 14 Oct 2017, 20:42 (Ref:3774218)   #58
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Superpole has started.
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 00:04 (Ref:3774232)   #59
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Land and Magnus make it an all Audi front row, followed by Wright, WRT and KPAX: http://sportscar365.com/world-challe...monterey-pole/
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 15:59 (Ref:3774337)   #60
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Race is scheduled to start in 15 minutes.
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 16:20 (Ref:3774342)   #61
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I forgot that although the stream is hosted by Blancpain, we have an American TV director. So rather than watch the race, let's have a montage of hills around the area.

Whilst that was happening we appear to have already a lost #99 GT4 Aston. No yellow flags on display, oddly.

Edit: FCY.
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 16:30 (Ref:3774343)   #62
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Brilliant restart by Parente, up to second. Land were checking out before the FCY.
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 16:51 (Ref:3774344)   #63
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anybody found a non CBS Sports US stream yet?
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 16:57 (Ref:3774345)   #64
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anybody found a non CBS Sports US stream yet?
As I'm not in the US I don't know if this works or not, or if it's related to CBS -

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They don't work in U.S. Also, motortrendondemand not seeming to work either.
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They don't work in U.S. Also, motortrendondemand not seeming to work either.
Sarcastic applause to SRO and PWC for giving us a race that nobody is watching!

Thankfully this will not be a problem with the 24 hours of COTA Creventic event which looks like is going to be a much better race.
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Old 15 Oct 2017, 23:24 (Ref:3774391)   #67
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 02:05 (Ref:3774415)   #68
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They don't work in U.S. Also, motortrendondemand not seeming to work either.
Motortrend worked fine for me. They had the whole race start to finish.
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 02:20 (Ref:3774418)   #69
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Congrats to Magnus Racing! What a victory! Those Audi's were certainly the class of the field today.
So........ What's everybody's view on the way Land and WRT gamed the system on the last pitstop? Clever exploitation of a mistake in the SRO rulebook....Or a blatant disregard for the spirit of the event that showed a lack of respect for their fellow competitors and for us fans. Obviously the ideal solution would be proper pitstops without a minimum time, but sadly that is not viable for many of the teams.
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I was here camping, what, exactly did they do?

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I was here camping, what, exactly did they do?
They chose to not meet the minimum pit stop time in the final pit stop, cutting it short by about 30-35 seconds. The drive through penalty took 25 seconds. The commentators reckoned they saved around 14 seconds, maybe closer to 10 when you take into account the pit exit.

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Congrats to Magnus Racing! What a victory! Those Audi's were certainly the class of the field today.
So........ What's everybody's view on the way Land and WRT gamed the system on the last pitstop? Clever exploitation of a mistake in the SRO rulebook....Or a blatant disregard for the spirit of the event that showed a lack of respect for their fellow competitors and for us fans. Obviously the ideal solution would be proper pitstops without a minimum time, but sadly that is not viable for many of the teams.
It was just clever strategy. They worked out the fastest way to the end of the race, which is what the engineers are paid to do.

SRO created this problem by having over complex pit regulations. They themselves have used it to penalise teams that appear to have done nothing wrong before. So it was only a matter of time until a team used it the other way. SROs attempt to make simple rules has quite often made them hard to understand and balance. It's something WRT have complained about in Blancpain.

Not to excuse what the teams did - but is it not a bit silly that we're looking at the IGTC being marketing as a sort of World Championship, and we have minimum pit stop times? For PWC and the Pro/Am and Am classes in Blancpain sure, but for the (apparently) top GT racing series in the world?

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Old 16 Oct 2017, 16:59 (Ref:3774530)   #72
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I love that there were crew members standing on the hot side of the pit wall waiting for their car to come to a stop, instead of being behind the wall.

Simply because the SRO didn't want to change a rule because most American tracks have pit walls.
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Also, if you think those pit stops are nuts, you will have coronary if you ever watch a Creventic race (which is streamed right on their site and no voodoo dance you got to do to get it). No minimum pit time but no refueling in the pits. You got to leave pit road and go to the gas pumps. Then when you recover from that coronary, you'll have another one because they don't use a dry break, just a regular old nozzle like you do in your street car. Plus if your car takes X amount of liters and you pump more than that into the tank you are in trouble. There's a guy standing there with a clip board and writes down the car number and how many liters you pumped. Plus under a FCY or Code 60, only allowed to pump in half the amount of fuel. Best part is, how many liters you pumped, that's all you pay for.

What also is crazy, 4 guys are allowed to work on the car but you must wear a yellow safety jacket. No firesuit and no helmet required.
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Also, if you think those pit stops are nuts, you will have coronary if you ever watch a Creventic race (which is streamed right on their site and no voodoo dance you got to do to get it). No minimum pit time but no refueling in the pits. You got to leave pit road and go to the gas pumps. Then when you recover from that coronary, you'll have another one because they don't use a dry break, just a regular old nozzle like you do in your street car. Plus if your car takes X amount of liters and you pump more than that into the tank you are in trouble. There's a guy standing there with a clip board and writes down the car number and how many liters you pumped. Plus under a FCY or Code 60, only allowed to pump in half the amount of fuel. Best part is, how many liters you pumped, that's all you pay for.

What also is crazy, 4 guys are allowed to work on the car but you must wear a yellow safety jacket. No firesuit and no helmet required.
Can you pay with your credit card or is it all cash?!

The no fire suit rule in pitlane could be explained because there's no refueling going on but the no helmets??? Crazy indeed, especially with 50-60 cars participating.
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Old 16 Oct 2017, 21:37 (Ref:3774566)   #75
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The no fire suit rule in pitlane could be explained because there's no refueling going on but the no helmets??? Crazy indeed, especially with 50-60 cars participating
You have to remember, it wasn't that long ago that helmets were required in the pits. 2013 was the first year in America for a non NASCAR race that it was required. Firesuits were not required until 2004 for the whole crew and that was just the suit. 1991 was the first year for a pit lane speed limit and that was because of NASCAR. I did many pit stops where cars were blowing past me at 100+ mph while I was doing a pad or tire change. Even for two years IMSA had the brilliant idea of grounding cars before fueling. Even though I never remember, ever a static electric fire starting but for some reason we needed it and then it was dropped.

Years ago I always wore a bandanna around my face with a headsock over it for a tire change because back then, asbestos brake pads were banned for street cars but still used in racing. Back then pads never lasted like they do today thus it was a cloud of black soot when you hit the air gun.

A few years ago, I calculated that the amount of pit stops that they do in the top three series in NASCAR was around 4X what every other series I could think of on the planet. They do it about as wrong as can be (by sportscar standards) and you'd think there would be at least 10 dead crew and 50 fires per year. Somehow, they can do it fast, with 5 lug wheels, a floor jack and two 11 gallon dump cans along with 30-35 other cars doing the same thing at the same time. Yet in sportscar racing, we are so formal with a bazillion rules and still manage to screw it up.
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