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Old 5 Jan 2003, 04:26 (Ref:464133)   #1
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Team-mate battles in 2003

Team mate Battles - Who will come out in front?

They say the first driver you have to beat is your team-mate, so 2003 will be a deciding year for a few. Careers will be made or broken for a many in the class of 2003.

Some of these are easy, so are harder. Some will make us look silly at the end of the year when I drag the topic back up.

So cards on the table, who will win in each team battle?

Ferrari : Michael (by a country mile - again)
Williams : Montoya (although still close)
McLaren : Kimi (Davids last year at McLaren)
Renault : Trulli
Sauber : Frentzen (but this is very close and could go either way)
Jordan : Fisi (will cream whoever gets the seat)
BAR : Button (BAR want JV gone)
Jaguar : Webber (with ease because he will finish more often)
Toyota : Panis (a tough year for DeMatta)
Minardi : Wilson (PS new golden boy - however if Jos has the seat I may change my mind)
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 04:31 (Ref:464135)   #2
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Re: Team-mate battles in 2003

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Sauber : Frentzen (but this is very close and could go either way)
You wrote that to spite me, didn't you Wrex?

IMO, it will be the following:

Ferrari - TGF
Williams - JPM
McLaren - Kimi
Renault - Trulli
Sauber - Nick
Jordan - Fisichella
BAR - JV (Button will be push him all the way)
Jaguar - Webber
Toyota - Panis (though da Matta will continually improve)
Minardi - who's driving for them again?
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 04:31 (Ref:464137)   #3
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I agree with almost all of those Wrex , except renault, I think Alonso will finally show everyone what ive been thinking for several years , Jarno trulli simply isnt as good as his hyped up to be, but I would love to see Jarno prove me wrong, but I doubt it , i dont think ive ever seen him do any good in any race ?????


also if verstappen gets the Minardi drive I think it would be close between Wilson and Jos, Jos has the experience but I think Wilson has sheer speed and talent on his side (not saying Jos doesnt but i think Wilson may have the edge)

but i think the rest you pretty much have spot on
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 10:18 (Ref:464296)   #4
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Re: Team-mate battles in 2003

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Minardi : Wilson (PS new golden boy - however if Jos has the seat I may change my mind)
IF Jos gets the seat and then goes onto beat Justin then Justin may as well give up any hopes of a budding F1 career. Won't do his reputation any good getting beaten by such a talentless driver
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 11:35 (Ref:464329)   #5
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so is it about qualifying results or final points standings?
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 11:41 (Ref:464331)   #6
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Ferrari: TGF
Williams: Ralf eventually
McLaren: DC
Renault: Alonso (I hope)
Sauber: Heidfeld
Jordan: Fisichella
BAR: Villeneuve
Toyota: Panis
Minardi: Wilson
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 11:42 (Ref:464332)   #7
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 11:46 (Ref:464337)   #8
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Ferrari: Schmumi
Williams: JPM
McLaren: Kimi
Renault: alonso
Sauber: frentzen
Jordan: Fisichella
BAR: Villeneuve
Toyota: Panis
Minardi: Wilson
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 11:54 (Ref:464342)   #9
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I almost agree with you Wrex bar a few
Ferrari : Michael (by a country mile - again)
Williams : Ralf(although still close)
McLaren : Kimi (Davids last year at McLaren)
Renault : Trulli
Sauber : Frentzen (but this is very close and could go either way)
Jordan : Fisi (will cream whoever gets the seat)
BAR : Button (BAR want JV gone thats the only reason)
Jaguar : Webber
Toyota : Panis (not a chance for DeMatta)
Minardi : The Boss(if he gets the seat ) if not Wilson (unless Massa gets it)
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 12:07 (Ref:464357)   #10
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DNQ should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Ferrari - Schumacher (No surprises there)
Williams - Montoya (Same as above)
McLaren - Raikkonen (Will mature and beat DC. Close though)
Renault - Alonso (Trulli is very fast, but he needs to prove it)
Sauber - Heidfeld (Make no mistake, he'll rise to the occasion)
Jordan - Fisichella (I don't think anyone will beat him)
BAR - Villeneuve (With a fast teammate, JV will rise)
Jaguar - Webber (What a surprise I said that )
Toyota - Panis (Experience will make the difference)
Minardi - Wilson (Assuming Mr$$$ is in the other seat)
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 12:27 (Ref:464383)   #11
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GXH should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Ferrari - Schumacher - who else could it be??
Williams - Montoya - will be closer than people think
McLaren - Raikkonen - should be his year in the team
Renault - Trulli - untill Alonso gets comfy with team
Sauber - Heidfeld - still wants 2 impress McLaren (no hope)
Jordan - Fisichella - team will mainly focus on him
BAR - Villeneuve - still has WDC in him shame its the money driving him instead
Jaguar - Webber - again he will be there sponsership man so all eyes on him
Toyota - Panis - steady driver
Minardi - Wilson - we can always hope
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 13:55 (Ref:464445)   #12
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Ferrari. Schumi. even Yoong would do it with such a treatment.
Williams. Juan. Should I mention why
McLaren. DC.
Renault. Both turkeys should be even.
Sauber. HHF. I coudl beat Heidfeld.
Jordan. Are they racing next years?
BAR. JV
Jaguar. ****onia.
Toyota. Both bunnies should be a match for each other.
Minardi. Wilson has already paid for it
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 18:49 (Ref:464652)   #13
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Ferrari : MS (BY CONTRACT )
Williams : JPM
McLaren : DC
Renault : JT
Sauber : NH
Jordan : N/A
BAR : JV
Jaguar : AP
Toyota : CDM
Minardi : N/A
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 19:16 (Ref:464682)   #14
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Williams: JPM
McLaren: KR
Renault: JT
Sauber: Too close to call. If the environment is right HHF could show his old form and kick some ass.
Jordan: Probably Fisi, but if Irvine or Jos get the seat all bets are off.
BAR: JV - Despite the conspriacy theorys, there's no way JB can take him.
Toyota: Tough call - Depends on CDM's learning curve. If he picks up fast he could be beyond Panis in a few races.
Minardi: No clue.
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Old 5 Jan 2003, 22:40 (Ref:464846)   #15
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Matthopps should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Ferrari: You know who! (Contracted to do so).
Williams: JPM - Ralf drops off from Mid-Season onwards.
Mclaren: DC (Based on Experience - will be close though).
Renault: Alonso - Martin Brundle sums trulli up perfectly about being overrated, especially on the fact the he goes to sleep on Sunday afternoons!
Sauber: too close to call, could come down to luck as to how finishes the most races(in the points)-see Raikkonen last year.
Jordan: Fisichella
BAR: Button (JV out)
Minardi: Wilson
Toyota: Panis (again on experience).
Jaguar: Webber
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Williams: JPM - Ralf drops off from Mid-Season onwards.
I'm not too sure about that. Yes, it happened in '00 and '01 - but not this year.
But I will say JPM will win the battle neverhteless!
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Old 6 Jan 2003, 18:11 (Ref:465533)   #17
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Ferrari: TGF
Williams: JPM (ofcourse)
McLaren: Kimi
Renault: Alonso
Sauber: Frentzen
Jordan: Fisichella
BAR: Villeneuve
Toyota: Panis
Minardi: Wilson (or Jos if he gets the seat)
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EERO should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridEERO should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridEERO should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridEERO should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Ferrari : Michael (by a lotless than country mile, you Heretic!)
Williams : Montoya (though close)
McLaren : DC (Kimi is still learning, quick, but where are the points???)
Renault : Trulli
Sauber : Heidfeld (but this is very close and could go either way, as Wrexy says)
Jordan : Fisi (will cream whoever gets the seat)
BAR : JV (he's cantankerous enough to do just enough to beat the "Little Fella")
Jaguar : Webber (with ease because he will finish more often)
Toyota : Panis (a tough year for DeMatta)
Minardi : Wilson (PS new golden boy - however if Jos has the seat I won'tchange my mind)

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Ferrari: Michael, by much the same margin as before
Williams: Montoya, he seems to be improvig more than Ralf
McLaren: Kimi this time, DC's had his day
Renault: If Trulli keeps up his late 2002 form, it'll be easy for him
Sauber: Frentzen, but close, and Nick will be quicker at times
Jordan: Fisichella, unless they can persuade Prost to drive for them
BAR: Depends which driver the team want to be ahead. On talent you'd say JV, but....
Jaguar: Ought to be Webber, if he's as good as people say. I don't think he is, but still good enough to beat the Pizzaman
Toyota: Panis, but Da Matta by lateseason if Toyota keep faith in him
Minardi: Wilson could beat Jos, Pedro, Enrique or any of the other likely additions.
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I'm not too sure about that. Yes, it happened in '00 and '01 - but not this year.
But I will say JPM will win the battle neverhteless!
Strange...

I thought Ralf did drop off this year, whereas he didn't in '00 and '01.
Unfortunately I still can't reach Forix...

Looking at the 10-tenths help file I'ld say:
First 8 races - Last 8 races:
2002: 27 - 12
2001: 22 - 24
2000: 12 - 12
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I'm looking at it compared to team-mate. No surprise on the points this year, he won a race at the beginning before the F2002 hit the track.

At the end of '00, Jenson was outqualifying and outracing Ralf with some consistency. Quite similar at the end of last year. This year, Ralf was still battling with JPM at Suzuka.
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This year, Ralf was still battling with JPM at Suzuka.
Battling? I think 'comfortably leading' is the phrase you were looking for.

As for Ralf, he has dropped off in the past. He really needs to keep it together for the whole season.
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Old 7 Jan 2003, 03:47 (Ref:465940)   #23
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Battling? I think 'comfortably leading' is the phrase you were looking for.

As for Ralf, he has dropped off in the past. He really needs to keep it together for the whole season.
Or have his manager to get him a contract like the one of his big bro with all the necesary to look good
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I'm looking at it compared to team-mate. No surprise on the points this year, he won a race at the beginning before the F2002 hit the track.
No.
Ralf's 27 points in the first half of 2002 were in line with his performances in 2001 (22 and 24).

This year, Montoya's performance was quite stable: 27-23.
In 2001, it was 6-19 (or 6-25 if we were to take take 9 races per half season).
In 2000, Button did 3-9 (against Ralf 12-12).

So I would say Button (2000) and Montoya (2001) had a weak first half season (as if they were rookies --- which they were), followed by a half season almost on par with Ralf.

This year, Ralf and Montoya were perfectly on par during the first half of the season. Second half, Montoya stayed on the same level (dropping just slightly in points), whereas Ralf's score was more than halfed.
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As for Ralf, he has dropped off in the past. He really needs to keep it together for the whole season.
???

2001: 22-24
2000: 12-10
1999: 19-16
1998: 0-14
1997: 5-6

So I guess you are talking about the time before he entered F1?
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