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In places where plastic bag use is prohibited - then nothing changed about the bag, but the use of it became illegal after a certain date. The English language has enough flexibility to accept that what is legal today may become illegal tomorrow. In the UK, lead in petrol was legal for a while, then became illegal. |
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The Mustang was not illegal.... it was built to regulations in place at the time and was fully legal, hence why there will rightfully be no loss of points. However, with the parity tweaks (new regulations in a way) the car's aero has been adjusted to bring it back to the field. Not because it was illegal, just in the interests of parity.
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If Supercars now want to be professional in the way they conduct parity then its about time. Hiring Burgess and Little is a positive step. However their usual hamfisted ways of going about it are amatuerish at best. TCR must be loving this controversy a few weeks out from their debut. |
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There has been no instance of rendering the Commodore uncompetitive unlike the Sierra / Falcon and now the attempts to do likewise with the Mustang. |
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23 Apr 2019, 22:04 (Ref:3899265) | #282 | |
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Who says it'll be uncompetitive?
Yeah, it'll probably affect the Tickford cars the worst, as I'm sure they've been enjoying a free kick up til now. But the DJRTP cars will still be at the pointy end. Perhaps not .5secs ahead of the field in qualy though. |
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Where shoppers competiting to see who could get the most bags? Where rules laid out before this bag competition and then changed a quarter of the way through said competition? Analogies aren't good arguments unfortunately.. |
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23 Apr 2019, 22:55 (Ref:3899271) | #284 | ||
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https://www.speedcafe.com/2012/07/08...lation-change/
Rule change half way through because someone read them a bit differently to the normal, nah. Remember an Aussie bloke making a winged keel once that caught a few people out. |
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The changes to the Falcon post the 1993 ATCC clearly were too much the EB not being in the hunt at Bathurst, but this was redressed at the beginning of 1994. The changes post the 1995 ATCC must have been okay, Bowe and Seton leading much of the race at Bathurst. Until failing, Seton had Perkins measure in the closing stages. |
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Didnt the '98 series force Mr Ingall and Mr Lowndes into VT Commodores during their championship tussle, or otherwise they couldnt be run at Bathurst?
Didnt the Holden mob get forced to get rid of the Holden engine with the VY double wishbone suspension, requiring a switch to the HMS/Aurora powerplant? |
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I have been exceptionally sceptical of this series for a number of years, and with this it is god to see they have lived up to my expectations - bloody terrible management processes
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24 Apr 2019, 05:48 (Ref:3899304) | #291 | ||
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What’s illegal about it? If they run it in it’s current spec in WA , then yes it’s deemed illegal. Not before. They are changing it and clipping it due to aero advantage. How has any of the Ford teams participated illegally?? |
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Even 2010 was won in a 888-built car for DJR. But all we hear from Ford fans now is how the series is 888/Holden biased, was it 888/Ford biased before? You can't have this both ways... Despite the claims, the Commodore never dominated the series, 888 dominated the series, in both marques. The Mustang however saw peanuts leap up 15 spots in the championship standings, and grabbing podium spots even when they could barely get out of their own way. The thing was an own goal through an outdated and flawed homologation process, with a car that clearly departed from the production car for performance reasons, and in hindsight the series shouldn't have let it be homologated as it was, especially with the rear wing end plates. These provide a huge cornering stability and therefore tyre wear benefit, and is in no way measured by the straight line testing. Ludo also has plenty of from for creative rule interpretation, but nothing as dodgy or dangerous as 25kg mufflers. The series has plenty of form for mid-season changes against both makes, so spare me the "Holden has never been penalised" malarkey. People like Bowe complaining about the squeaky wheel are comical. DJR and BJR were the biggest whingers in the AU era, then SBR showed them how it was done with the BA - and then 888 came along. 888's FG particularly was nigh on unbeatable, and was probably the best ever Supercar - in factory and customer hands. Maybe we'll never see a customer car win the series again. |
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So the Ford End Plates are 1.5 the width of the Holdens & the Nissan's are half that of Holden, easily. Parity I hardly think so ........
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Absolutely. People can talk about how new people are in the technical department and are righting apparent wrongs. Still looks like amateur hour.
No doubt V8SC are going to test these changes on an airstrip prior to Perth? Isn't that the process when they make aero adjustments. Sent from my SM-G960F using Tapatalk |
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Doesnt a lower gruney reduce aero drag? |
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Can't validate what they're changing on an airstrip.
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Cry cry cry gloat cry cry gloat cry cry cry.... Ford fanboys. I liked that photo posted last night. Funny how the brains of the operation is tied up out front. |
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The investigation was to bascially compare CFD data from the 3 bodyshapes at yaw, and go from there. |
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Something like that, may well have cost Holden the win that year as while once sorted the VT was a good racecar, HRT was fast enough but had tyres catching the bodywork issues, while the Perkins car was slower down the straights than the VS had been.
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