The Chase... - Page 3

fieldodreams79 · 29 Sep 2008, 13:21 (Ref:2300341)

poor poor kyle

i seriously do feel for his team...what a fall from glory! probably the worst late season disasters of any team in any racing series, ever.

Neil22 · 29 Sep 2008, 16:21 (Ref:2300477)

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Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

poor poor kyle

i seriously do feel for his team...what a fall from glory! probably the worst late season disasters of any team in any racing series, ever.

Jeff Gordon ran into the same thing last year, hot during the season and couldn't win a chase race for nothing. In Kyles case though it seems like it's a team issue, all the breakdowns and misadjustments. Better luck next year Kyle!!

Chaos81 · 30 Sep 2008, 08:57 (Ref:2300938)

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Originally Posted by Speedworx

Under classic points, Kyle is down to 3rd.

Yeah, crazy how far he's fallen. He went from a 207 point lead, to 124 points behind in 3 races. That's using the old system of course.

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Originally Posted by Neil22

couldn't win a chase race for nothing.

He won 2.

Here are his finishes. 2, 11, 5, 1, 1, 3, 7, 7, 10, 4

Jeff was very good in the Chase last year, Jimmie just had an incredible run.

Neil22 · 30 Sep 2008, 18:33 (Ref:2301336)

Got me there, Chaos, I just remember Jeff losing the championship, wah!

fieldodreams79 · 13 Oct 2008, 00:25 (Ref:2310634)

so, after a couple of weeks of no interest in the chase, here is where we at:

http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008...nofficial.html

looks like the "chase" idea hasn't worked to keep people here interested. still very tight at the top with a handful of drivers still in the hunt.

wow, this is exciting

Dutton · 13 Oct 2008, 00:30 (Ref:2310637)

Yup. The problem with a system like The Chase is that it renders all the chase races as only (potentially) exciting as single events. That the drivers at the top are close because points were equalised just leaves an inmovable sense of artificiality, with an absence of excitement since we all know it is only so because it was made so. It is just a folly to try and manufacture excitement, IMO, but, it seems, NASCAR don't appreciate this form of thinking.

For me, and I do not know how others feel about it, but my interest in the season drops when The Chase begins. I still watch the races, and that, but a large chunk of the tension/excitement, or what have you, disappears.

**FIRE** · 13 Oct 2008, 16:13 (Ref:2311349)

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Originally Posted by Dutton

Yup. The problem with a system like The Chase is that it renders all the chase races as only (potentially) exciting as single events. That the drivers at the top are close because points were equalised just leaves an inmovable sense of artificiality, with an absence of excitement since we all know it is only so because it was made so. It is just a folly to try and manufacture excitement, IMO, but, it seems, NASCAR don't appreciate this form of thinking.

For me, and I do not know how others feel about it, but my interest in the season drops when The Chase begins. I still watch the races, and that, but a large chunk of the tension/excitement, or what have you, disappears.

IMO The NASCAR season is way too long.

Matt · 13 Oct 2008, 16:47 (Ref:2311375)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

IMO The NASCAR season is way too long.

You mean not long enough.

Dutton · 13 Oct 2008, 20:31 (Ref:2311555)

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Originally Posted by FIRE

IMO The NASCAR season is way too long.

I don't mind the length of it, but I do think there is a big problem in the lack of variety of the tracks. There are far too many 1.5-milers (in particular this D-formation) imo. I'd much prefer they replaced a few of those with short-tracks, superspeedways, and road tracks. Heck, in my dreamland I would love to see some dirt events (never going to happen, though).

I just don't see the point in having lots of different venues offering, in essence, exactly the same track. It is a complete waste of time, IMO.

R59 · 15 Oct 2008, 08:08 (Ref:2312814)

I don't think the season is too long. It's not just a race series, it's an entertainment for millions of American, and many millions more around the world. I feel that one of it's success points is that the length of the season, and the weekly racing keeps the momentum going. It's a high-octane soap opera/reality show!

Agree with Dutton. They could do with more variety in the chase, though by way of it's format, I don't think a road course would fit in. However, that's not saying that another road course shouldn't be crafted into the series somewhere. A street circuit would be good!!

Perhaps they should return to Rockingham and North Wilkesboro' too!!

And yes yes yes.... dirt events. Wasn't it Richard Petty that won the last NASCAR dirt event in 1970 at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds?

StuiE · 15 Oct 2008, 10:41 (Ref:2312910)

I love the long season, starts before most other series and ends after most series, and a short off season, races almost every week (and if there isn't a Cup race on, there will be a Nationwide or Truck race on), can't complain about that!

Can complain about the borefest 1.5/2mi tracks, Kansas (I hope Nascar doesn't give them a 2nd date), Chicago, Fontana, Michigan (although races there usually aren't too bad), Charlotte, Atlanta, Vegas, Texas etc. Keep Michigan, Atlanta and Charlotte, bulldoze the rest and start again, short tracks, 1mi D shaped (like Rockingham) and maybe a Superspeedway. I'd like to see how a Talladega/Daytona/Bristol style high banking would work on a 1mi tri oval, speeds shouldn't be too high and I think it'd make good racing.

mattcat · 15 Oct 2008, 15:36 (Ref:2313114)

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Originally Posted by R59

They could do with more variety in the chase, though by way of it's format, I don't think a road course would fit in.

If they are going to run road courses during the "regular" season, they need to have at least one (preferrably two) in The Chase. The Chase should represent a condensed variety of what they run all year. Two road courses, two short tracks, two 1.5 mile ovals, two 2.0 mile ovals, Daytona and Talladega. There's too many similar tracks in The Chase right now.

And IMO they should run six to eight road courses a year.

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Originally Posted by StuiE

I'd like to see how a Talladega/Daytona/Bristol style high banking would work on a 1mi tri oval, speeds shouldn't be too high and I think it'd make good racing.

See Dover.

Dutton · 18 Oct 2008, 08:23 (Ref:2315119)

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Originally Posted by R59

Agree with Dutton. They could do with more variety in the chase, though by way of it's format, I don't think a road course would fit in. However, that's not saying that another road course shouldn't be crafted into the series somewhere. A street circuit would be good!!

Perhaps they should return to Rockingham and North Wilkesboro' too!!

And yes yes yes.... dirt events. Wasn't it Richard Petty that won the last NASCAR dirt event in 1970 at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds?

I was actually meaning the season at large, as opposed to The Chase specifically (my reference point was being the comment about the season being too long, as opposed to thread topic). The Chase does need more variety, though, as it happens. I don't think it would be a good move to a road course in The Chase at present, but if they get more such races in the regular season (which I think they should) then it should get one.

I'll take your word on it with regards the final dirt event question, given I have no idea. Petty would seem as good a punt as any. I love watching dirt racing...if only, if only, IF ONLY it could make a comeback in this context.

[The other day I discovered a 0.25m dirt track about 80km(50m) from where I live. Just in time for the season to be over, of course, but, still, at least it is there! A new venue to visit next season. From what I can gather from the website I since visited, it couldn't really be more club level if it tried - which is not surprising, and is certainly a good thing to my mind.]

fieldodreams79 · 19 Oct 2008, 16:00 (Ref:2315975)

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Originally Posted by R59

And yes yes yes.... dirt events. Wasn't it Richard Petty that won the last NASCAR dirt event in 1970 at the North Carolina State Fairgrounds?

ARCA, until a few years ago, ran a single dirt race at the Springfield mile every year.

back to the Chase!
M'ville today....long, tideous race for drivers and fans alike. always some action, just at a little slower pace...but fast for a low banked 1/4 mile track:

http://www.nascar.com/races/cup/2008...e1_speeds.html

what a surprise...
jimmie j the quickest in practice...
qualifying rained out.

Dutton · 19 Oct 2008, 17:19 (Ref:2316023)

1/4-mile?? I may be out of my mind, but I'd say MArtinsville is a smidge over 0.5.

I don't find it tedious at all, personally. I really like the real short stuff - in a big part because passing moves have to really be earned.

duke_toaster · 19 Oct 2008, 17:45 (Ref:2316042)

Martinsville is around half a mile. A quarter of a mile is 400m, which is the length of an athletics track. Not that I have an objection to NASCAR running on a track like that though :P

fieldodreams79 · 19 Oct 2008, 20:56 (Ref:2316200)

sorry, boys...all the "dirty talk" got me thinkin in 3/8s & 1/4s.

Knowlesy · 19 Oct 2008, 21:04 (Ref:2316210)

Martinsville is awesome.

The Chase, however, is not.

Dutton · 20 Oct 2008, 01:04 (Ref:2316311)

So Jimmie wins at Martinsville. What a shocker that is! You have to give it to the guy - he just has The Chase championship system absolutely nailed.

Anyone fancy betting against him getting the threepeat?

Knowlesy · 20 Oct 2008, 10:24 (Ref:2316557)

Not really. I had a funny feeling he was going to do this, he was starting to build momentum and he has driven awesome all year IMO.

Damn him!

Fish_Flake · 24 Oct 2008, 14:55 (Ref:2320023)

There's something about the Chase that puts Jimmie on another level. This makes three consecutive years in which he absolutely dominated the end of the season. Maybe they'll rename the championship trophy after him.

Knowlesy · 27 Oct 2008, 01:37 (Ref:2321445)

He only went and done it again, he was absolutely nowhere for a large portion of the race but Jimmie and Chad plugged away as usual and got a second place.

Carl Edwards looked gutted when he found out...

I'm starting to like Johnson, I am ashamed to admit!

As for JPM, I wish he could have just a shred of luck for once.

Ola · 27 Oct 2008, 09:46 (Ref:2321621)

Jimmie Johnsons race yesterday was awesome, I couldn't believe it when he came from a drive-through penatly and one lap down to second in the final sprint.

This team just have another level when it comes to the chase and right now it hard to even imagine them not winning a third straight one. Impressive!

It was a shame about Montoya. The new car they've built themselves (if I've remember what I read correctly?) looked like it performed well so that's encouraging. Just a shame to have it go so horribly wrong in just a few laps. I don't think Montoya is to blame for the pit incident, that just seems like a bad race incident where there isn't much to do. In the crash he was just the unlucky guy coming from behind doing everything right but just got hit by bad luck.

**gomick** · 27 Oct 2008, 10:20 (Ref:2321651)

great save by hamlin on the last lap - imagine if he took jimmie out

.... the difference between winning championships & losing them...

**FIRE** · 27 Oct 2008, 10:56 (Ref:2321678)

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Originally Posted by Ola

Jimmie Johnsons race yesterday was awesome, I couldn't believe it when he came from a drive-through penatly and one lap down to second in the final sprint.

This team just have another level when it comes to the chase and right now it hard to even imagine them not winning a third straight one. Impressive!

It was a shame about Montoya. The new car they've built themselves (if I've remember what I read correctly?) looked like it performed well so that's encouraging. Just a shame to have it go so horribly wrong in just a few laps. I don't think Montoya is to blame for the pit incident, that just seems like a bad race incident where there isn't much to do. In the crash he was just the unlucky guy coming from behind doing everything right but just got hit by bad luck.

Did they use or Evernham or Penske chassis in the past? I don't believe that.

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