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Old 4 Aug 2007, 23:18 (Ref:1981070)   #26
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I AM LIVID!

First HARVICK shouldn't win, he punted Pruett, he should finish 5th at best.

Second as much as I love Robby he stepped over it punted Ambrose. A

Ambrose won this race.

If NASCAR doesn't correct this, this is a complete and utter SHAM.

I will never ever watch another Cup or Bush race.

I saw Mike Hellman at SEMA last year and I tell you right now he'll get stern talking too by me if this finish stands.
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Old 4 Aug 2007, 23:21 (Ref:1981074)   #27
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NASCAR has a lot to answer for allowing the race to restart with Relic Gordon still in the incorrect position. Blind Freddy could see what he was going to do because thats the way these stupid "old time" drivers think.

It is time these relics were banished to the pages of history (not that anyone will ever remember Gordon anyway). NASCAR needs to make a stand and kick this tool out of the sport for good.

Is that the advertisement they want for the sport? Hardly ...
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Old 4 Aug 2007, 23:23 (Ref:1981076)   #28
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Robby does have a beef he did get around Ambrose, however we don't know if the Yellow had been thrown yet and it more than likely was. I am not defending his actions.

How they could give this to Harvick is comical.

If I was Pruett I would have punched Harvick in the mouth.
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Old 4 Aug 2007, 23:23 (Ref:1981077)   #29
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Oh, on annother note.

Great run by Patreek!
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Old 4 Aug 2007, 23:28 (Ref:1981080)   #30
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NASCAR has a lot to answer for allowing the race to restart with Relic Gordon still in the incorrect position. Blind Freddy could see what he was going to do because thats the way these stupid "old time" drivers think.

It is time these relics were banished to the pages of history (not that anyone will ever remember Gordon anyway). NASCAR needs to make a stand and kick this tool out of the sport for good.

Is that the advertisement they want for the sport? Hardly ...
The punting started with Harvick and he won the race, Pruett had the racing line.

He was behind Pruett going into the hairpin and he PUNTED HIM. In any other series, that would have got you called into the Pits and a stop and go.

In any case Ambrose is the winner, Robby punted him.

2 more laps and Pat would have gotten around him anyway.
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Old 4 Aug 2007, 23:30 (Ref:1981082)   #31
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That was a cracker, I am dissapointed as anyone about gordon, what a ******.

Ambrose did not need to spin him earlier though he was in front when the yellows came out and that would have been rectified.

My problem is that NASCAR does not seem to punish anyone for spinning anyone else out, is it generally a case of bad luck or do race results get modified, drive throughs etc. because I have never seen it?

I reckon after all the incidents etc the true rightful winner probably crossed the line in 87th or something like that

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Old 4 Aug 2007, 23:33 (Ref:1981086)   #32
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It's not very often I agree with you Deeks, but I'm 100% with you on this one. Can someone please explain to me how Gordon was allowed to re-start in second when he was given a black flag?? Not only that, but he touching Marcos up during the caution period, which even the commentators said would be frowned upon.. We get a bit crappy over here when someone gets a drive-thru for dubious play, but there seem to be NO rules in Busch at all!!
I also want to know how Gordon was allowed to drive past half the field after his spin, for the sole purpose of lining Ambrose up??
That result was a complete and utter joke!!!!!
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Old 4 Aug 2007, 23:46 (Ref:1981096)   #33
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Do you need any other proof that NASCAR is officially the WWF of motorsports?

I'll keep saying it -

Harvick should have gotten black flagged on the next lap. He got called into the trailer at Indy for giving Stewart a "Love Tap" at the end. Pruett had the racing line into the next turn, Harvick was behind him - BAM!

Took out Ron Fellows as well...

Robby's antics I AM NOT DEFENDING ONE bit, he should have been the bigger man, the Glen is next weekend, if you want to show them who's boss then do it there, he's won there before.

He more than likely get suspended for the Glen race. Harvick should be put on probation, which won't matter much, its not even close to a slap on the hand.

If NOTHING HAPPENS then 1.5 million people know NASCAR is a joke and if your a supporter of the series and its phantom yellow flags to close up the field, then you should be tared and feathered...
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Old 4 Aug 2007, 23:58 (Ref:1981105)   #34
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Problem is NASCAR has always said the result when the fans leave should stand, the fans should know who won and apparently arent smart enough to see that night or the next day that a car had been excluded. I'm guessing probation and MAYBE, but prob not, the loss of championship points for gordon and nothing for ambrose because the flag had not actually been displayed around the track yet when he ran into robby thus his restart in first and gordon, supposedy, dropping back to 12th. but you can tell nascar wanted that result since they waved the green with robby still in line and HAD to know robby is a whiny bad driver.
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Old 5 Aug 2007, 00:26 (Ref:1981124)   #35
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Ambrose cheated

Marcus has been cheated from his first Busch win by NA$CAR'$ incompetence!

In many races that I have seen or attended, if any driver was not in the proper position at the restart, the green flag DID NOT FLY!!!!!!! The yellow stayed out, everyone came around again and the errant drivers were lined up where they belonged.

This race should not have gone green with Gordon behind Ambrose!

Congratulations to Marcos Ambrose on his win in Montreal!!!!!!

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Congratulations to Marcos Ambrose on his win in Montreal!!!!!!

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Exactly. dont see any Champ car drivers in the Atlantics or F1 guys in GP2 races so why are they allowed in the busch series. Just to bring in fans is not a good enough reason
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Old 5 Aug 2007, 01:49 (Ref:1981155)   #37
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I don't watch NASCAR that often (I can't get into oval racing even though I've tried) but considering the track and the fact that Ambrose was racing I got up and watched this one.

I thought Ambrose probably deserved a penalty for passing under yellows, although I'm not sure weather Gordon passed under yellows first.

I enjoyed most of the race but I have to say, Gordan's antics left me with a fairly bad impression of NASCAR. I hope that sort of behaviour isn't what the sport is about because it was pathetic and made it look amateur. I know the bush series is the 2nd serries but are most of the drivers still professional? I thought they were given the amount of t.v coverage. Gordon looked like he wanted to bash Ambrose under safety car, had no intention of going where the officials (rightly or wrongly) wanted him to go and then it looks like he just decided to punt Ambrose off as soon as it went green. Motor racing is dangerous and I'm aware that people have died and got seriously hurt in NASCAR, I hope that those actions aren't what you usually.
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Old 5 Aug 2007, 01:52 (Ref:1981156)   #38
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I can only feel like if there was any justice in the world, the results would read Ambrose, Pruett, Fellows.

For a while I was enjoying the rare experience of watching a Nascar race - the number of guesting drivers, both roadcourse specialists and stockcar debutantes made it very interesting. The strength with which Pruett, Fellows, Said etc. drove with was expected, but Jonsson, Carpentier, Lally, Pilgrim etc. all showed very strongly.

What took place in the closing laps, however, was absurd and disgraceful. It has pretty much turned me off tuning in to another event again. It was almost comical.
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Old 5 Aug 2007, 02:05 (Ref:1981161)   #39
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For the sake of being too long and not being read, I'll make my opinion very short and sweet.



NASCAR, give the win to Andy Pilgrim:

End the race before the crazy 2 lap Wrestlemania. Exclude Harvick, Gordon, and Ambrose (he did spin a guy under Yellow, sadly). And voila, Andy wins. THE END.
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Old 5 Aug 2007, 02:16 (Ref:1981165)   #40
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NASCAR president Mike Helton and Robin Pemberton, vice president of competition, declined to comment when they left their office after the meeting with Gordon. The executives headed straight to Pocono, Pa., for Sunday's Nextel Cup event, and there was rampant garage speculation that Gordon will be suspended from the event.

Max Papis finished third, Canadian Ron Fellows was fourth and Stephen Leicht rounded out the top five. Ambrose, who should have won, wound up seventh.
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Gordon thought he had won, as stated before. And was angry that he was dropped to 13th.

He's a knob anyway.

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The one thing that was never clear to me was how Gordon got by Ambrose, and whether it was connected to the damage on the right rear corner of the latter's car. I'm not saying that makes it 'ok' for Ambrose to bump him into a spin under yellow, but if he was indeed returning Gordon the favour, I can understand it within the confines of acceptable conduct in Nascar today. Alas it does somewhat lower my previously high opinion of Ambrose.
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Old 5 Aug 2007, 02:57 (Ref:1981171)   #43
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There is no justice in NASCARLAND, JUST-US!... Mike Helton I said I saw at SEMA and I will track him down as Speed does SEMA coverage and spoke to him at length at last year's event that was shown on Speed a few days later.

It figures they wouldn't comment on the goings on in Canada.

The specialist were the class of the field clearly, they pulled to 3-4 second lead within 10 laps. Jonsson had a great race save for a pit stop infaction he would have more of an "imprint" in the end and still ended up in the Top Ten.

Patrick didn't punt Harvick because he wants a CUP/Bush ride, otherwise on the last turn, he could have clipped him in the rear and that would have been FITTING as home town boy makes good and pushes the Bakersfield transplant out of the way to finish first.

NASCAR and its yellows on road course are comical.

They assed out Gordon at Sears Point as he CLEARLY had the fastest car all day but its harder to pass Cup regulars than Bush runners. You'll see next week as MANY of these guys will be at the Glen and I don't forsee any Cup regular being in the Top 5 in qualifying and they should set sail again at the start.

But Bush drivers lacking in overall talent will cause the types of caution flags not seen today and will put Cup regulars back in the "thick" of it even though they are .5 second or more a lap SLOWER than Fellows, Pruett, Ambrose, Carpentier, and Said.

I hope NASCAR will not tolerate the behavior we saw today but who am I kidding???
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Gordon squeezed past Ambrose in the grass in the corner. There wasn't a real good angle, but the damage on Ambrose's car appeared to come from him. Also if I'm remembering correctly the yellow was out right about the time Robby passed, but judging from how he was passing I don't think he realized it. Ambrose hitting him back looked like an accident to me. He just couldn't slow down enough to avoid contact, but from the tv its hard to tell.

Gordon will probably be suspended tomorrow. Kevin Harvick was suspended a few years back and Ted Musgrave was earlier this season for similar actions. Judging from NASCAR's recent trend the punishment will probably be pretty significant. I can easily see him being suspended for more than one race. The actions are typical of Gordon, but not of most NASCAR drivers and the finish is not typical of NASCAR either.

I was fairly impressed by Ambrose in his brief after race interview. He was a pretty good sport (albeit disappointed) in spite of what happened. I think he'll be pretty strong next weekend too.

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The one thing that was never clear to me was how Gordon got by Ambrose, and whether it was connected to the damage on the right rear corner of the latter's car. I'm not saying that makes it 'ok' for Ambrose to bump him into a spin under yellow, but if he was indeed returning Gordon the favour, I can understand it within the confines of acceptable conduct in Nascar today. Alas it does somewhat lower my previously high opinion of Ambrose.
Just watched it again ... it seems pretty clear that Gordon did a "bump and run" on Ambrose to get past in the first place (typical of his pathetic racing style) but it was probably done under yellow (given that the T2 accident was 400 metres back). Gordons car is very unsettled and already sliding because of his bad line into the corner. Ambrose barely touches him and he is around.

If NASCAR let this fool redneck Gordon get away with breaking every sporting rule and a fair few actual ones, then they will lose me for good. These Good Ol Boys and their dangerous driving should be drummed out forever.

As for the Harvick "punt", I don't think he can be blamed entirely - Pruett did swing drastically back to the inside leaving Harvick no room. Harvick was probably in a bit hot but he was forced on the the grass a bit so grip would have been minimal. Racing incident.
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Pruett often leaves a gap then slams the door and wonders why he gets spun around.

Isn't it funny how Harvick allways seems to "luck" into these road course wins...
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The other thing in hindsight is that Ambrose probably should have just let Gordon go first - (knowing Gordon was just going to slam him off the road) because the team should have told him Gordon would be DQ anyway.

Then the only thing Gordon could do then was brake test him or something even more obviously dangerous.
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Deeks, the "bump and run" is VERY commonplace in Nextel Cup. Anyway, Robby was clearly ahead by the apex of the corner. The camera angle didn't show a marshal's post clearly, so I cannot be sure if a FULL COURSE caution was waving when Gordon committed to the corner and passed Ambrose. At worst, Gordon should have lined up second for the restart. Gordon's contact might have shaken Ambrose up, but the damage was little more than cosmetic at worst. The spin Ambrose put on Gordon was clearly under yellow and was utterly un-called-for. Anyway, Ambrose should be used to some banging from driving in AV8SCs. If penalties were to be assessed, Gordon, Ambrose, and Harvick should have gotten stop-and-goes.

As to the restart pile-up, there was NOT an open lane inside Pruett. The was a bit of tarmac, and the curbing. To get truly inside of Pruett, Harvick would have had to have put his right sides in the grass to attempt it.

I don't approve of what Gordon did to Ambrose after the restart, but if we're not handing out penalties left and right for this race, Robby should have won. Also, you need to realize that Robby, at least in Cup, runs his own operation with just his car, and the stress/pressure to perform week-in-week-out is probably higher for him than a lot of the other NASCAR drivers and one-off road-racing specialists. If NASCAR had just put Gordon back in 2nd, like they originally told him, I doubt any of this fiasco would have happened as it did.

As I said, I don't like most of what occurred there at the end, but I'm not going to crucify anyone or throw them to the wolves because of bias. I usually root for Harvick to some extent, but he did NOT deserve this win!
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I LIKE it that Nascar doesn't penalise the Bump and run, Usually they will only penalise if a move is genuinely dangerous or retalliation for an earlier incident.

I went to bed with about 20 to go, had had a big night out and was falling asleep, just hoping Marcos would hold on...


I think the only problem was that Gordon wouldn't go back to where he should have been, and then didn't come in when they 'parked' him (only he didn't park). Should have red flagged it or just kept on going under caution until Gordon took his correct position, all the contact was fair game othere than Gordon when he shouldn't have been in that position.
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In one of the wildest finishes in NASCAR's recent history, Kevin Harvick picked up the pieces
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What farce. Is there a possability they would call the race before the restart and give it to Ambrose?
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