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Old 19 Jan 2018, 12:22 (Ref:3793820)   #31
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Daytona pre-event entry list:

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31 entries in GS, 7 in TCR, 5 in ST.
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 14:24 (Ref:3793837)   #32
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Wow, 5 in ST is disappointing. I was hoping for more attendance in that class for the last year of both ST and Continental being a part of the series. TCR has a lot of promise but it doesn't have the diversity that it needs just yet.
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 21:32 (Ref:3793882)   #33
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Wow, 5 in ST is disappointing. I was hoping for more attendance in that class for the last year of both ST and Continental being a part of the series. TCR has a lot of promise but it doesn't have the diversity that it needs just yet.
In 2016, I had the start and park program for GS. This was a fantasy team that only ran the minimal amount of time and a driver change. So each race consisted of 50 minutes of run time and them park the car. That year, I would have finished 5th in GS points and got around $30K in prize money. With IMSA only paying the top 5 now, the prize money is not good but I'll keep a season total and see what the start and park program garners in ST for this year.

Best part for ST is it's only 3 teams and one has 3 cars entered. So, the chance of all 5 making it past the 50 minute mark for the season is not going to happen. So, I know that a 6th is an automatic but i might be on the tail of 5th. When I did this in GS, I almost took 4th and that was from a car that ran the whole season.

Yes ST went from 20 to 5 for this year but GS went from 21 to 31. On the other hand, I ran there when over 50 were in ST for that race and at least 40 full time cars. I'm glad I got to run in that class when it was at a record high. Those days are now gone.
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Old 19 Jan 2018, 22:36 (Ref:3793890)   #34
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In 2016, I had the start and park program for GS. This was a fantasy team that only ran the minimal amount of time and a driver change. So each race consisted of 50 minutes of run time and them park the car. That year, I would have finished 5th in GS points and got around $30K in prize money. With IMSA only paying the top 5 now, the prize money is not good but I'll keep a season total and see what the start and park program garners in ST for this year.

Best part for ST is it's only 3 teams and one has 3 cars entered. So, the chance of all 5 making it past the 50 minute mark for the season is not going to happen. So, I know that a 6th is an automatic but i might be on the tail of 5th. When I did this in GS, I almost took 4th and that was from a car that ran the whole season.

Yes ST went from 20 to 5 for this year but GS went from 21 to 31. On the other hand, I ran there when over 50 were in ST for that race and at least 40 full time cars. I'm glad I got to run in that class when it was at a record high. Those days are now gone.
Why have so many teams abandoned ST John? Is it just because this is the last year for the class? With so much talk of how disproportionately expensive the budgets for GT3 cars have become, it would seem like ST would be a far cheaper and more popular class. It's weird to have a CTSC race with no Miatas entered.
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Old 20 Jan 2018, 16:37 (Ref:3794033)   #35
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In 2016, I had the start and park program for GS. This was a fantasy team that only ran the minimal amount of time and a driver change. So each race consisted of 50 minutes of run time and them park the car. That year, I would have finished 5th in GS points and got around $30K in prize money. With IMSA only paying the top 5 now, the prize money is not good but I'll keep a season total and see what the start and park program garners in ST for this year.

Best part for ST is it's only 3 teams and one has 3 cars entered. So, the chance of all 5 making it past the 50 minute mark for the season is not going to happen. So, I know that a 6th is an automatic but i might be on the tail of 5th. When I did this in GS, I almost took 4th and that was from a car that ran the whole season.

Yes ST went from 20 to 5 for this year but GS went from 21 to 31. On the other hand, I ran there when over 50 were in ST for that race and at least 40 full time cars. I'm glad I got to run in that class when it was at a record high. Those days are now gone.
Fair point on the GS class jumping up to 31 entries, that's massive. I kind of glossed over the gain and only looked at the loss of one of my favorite classes, historically speaking. I'm definitely looking forward to the race on Friday either way.

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Old 20 Jan 2018, 19:40 (Ref:3794046)   #36
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Fair point on the GS class jumping up to 31 entries, that's massive. I kind of glossed over the gain and only looked at the loss of one of my favorite classes, historically speaking. I'm definitely looking forward to the race on Friday either way.

Am I correct in my googling that you owned V-Pack?
Yes. I have been in the series in one way or another since 1985 (which was the first year for the series).

Since IMSA is looking like miracle workers, just look at the last 5 years of Daytona entries and you'll see:

ST Entries Daytona
2018 - 6
2017 - 20
2016 - 29
2015 - 31
2014 - 38
2013 - 34

GS Entries Daytona
2018 - 30
2017 - 20
2016 - 8
2015 - 25
2014 - 30
2013 - 34

Total Entries Daytona
2018 - 43
2017 - 40
2016 - 37
2015 - 56
2014 - 68
2013 - 68
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So basically even though it's on the upswing, relative to years' past it's still down. I feel like 09/10/11 the grids were even larger than 13 and 14? I seem to recall ST being massive back then.

Are you still involved in the series?
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So basically even though it's on the upswing, relative to years' past it's still down. I feel like 09/10/11 the grids were even larger than 13 and 14? I seem to recall ST being massive back then.

Are you still involved in the series?
65 in 2009, 76 in 2010 and 72 in 2011.
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65 in 2009, 76 in 2010 and 72 in 2011.
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Old 22 Jan 2018, 17:53 (Ref:3794358)   #40
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For 2008
GS - 42
ST - 49
Total - 91

For that race, I finished 8th in ST and 33rd overall. As you can see, finishing 8th in a field is 49 is much more difficult as opposed to today where finishing 6th in ST (deal last) is just circulating around the track. Hit the minimum amount of required time and then you can park it. For a 6th today, it's $0 in prize money. For an 8th in 2008, I got $1350. A set of tires were $900, so it paid for 1.5 sets (only used 2 sets for the event). Top it off, I needed those two tire handlers and jack man that is not allowed today (so 3 extra over the wall crew guys). At the time, $1K was the lowest paid for ST and that was 18th.

Wonder why everyone bailed? It's the value because in the series, about 90% are rental. Charging more to do the same exact thing when they tell you it's going to be cheaper makes no sense to many. All you can do is wait for the next group that doesn't know any better and the fields will go up but never to what we seen in the past. Those days are over because everyone runs in other series' here in the US.

For the prize money comparison in 10 years:
2008
P GS ST
1 - 10K 7.5K
2 - 7.5K 5K
3 - 5K 3.5K
4 - 4K 3K
5 - 3.5K 2.5K
6 - 2K 1.35K
7 - 2K 1.35K
8 - 2K 1.35K
9 - 2K 1.35K
10 - 2K 1.35K
11 - 2K 1.35K
12 - 2K 1.35K
13 - 2K 1.35K
14 - 2K 1.35K
15 - 2K 1.35K
16 - 2K 1K
17 - 2K 1K
18 - 2K 1K
T - 56K 38K = 94K

2018
P GS ST TCR
1 - 12K 7.5K 10K
2 - 8K 3.5K 7K
3 - 5K 2K 4K
4 - 3K 0K 0K
5 - 2K 0K 0K
T - 30K 16K 21K = 61.5K (-34.5% from 2008)
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CTSCC practice 1 almost in the books. https://scoring.imsa.com/

Audi quickest so far with Andrew Davis and a 1:55.867. Closest is Dillon Machavern in the RS1 Porsche with a 156.112. Solid mix of manufacturers inside the top 10 with Audi, Porsche, Ford, Aston, Mercedes and BMW all represented. The Mclarens are 19th or worse.

The new all-female Audi Sport entry clocked in 16th in class, Ashley Freiburg with a 1:58.019.

The fastest of the all VAG TCR class is the 53 RS3 LMS running a 2:00.822, about 2 seconds a lap off the slowest of the GS cars.
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To be completely honest, I am quite glad to see that so far this race weekend, none of the Mustang's have dominated the timing charts.

I hope i'm not the only one that felt the Mustang GT4s were severely overpowered last year at Daytona.

It is still early though.


*Edit* By the way, we now have an article explaining what is going on with the Freedom Autosport MX-5s.

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/ctscc/f...r-ctsc-hiatus/
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Actually it never explained why Freedom is not running. It was some PR fluff to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside along with confusing everyone. At least they were able to throw in the word "global" many times and that makes me feel good because I want to make sure Mazda understands they have a global commitment to motorsport. Also, I guess those brand new MX5's that run in TCA (which is literally an ST car) somehow needed some sort of extensive R&D program because all they would to of had to do is throw on a different brand of tire.

As of now, Mazda is throwing 100% of everything they got to Joest and thus, anything in Conti is done for. Plus, most of Freedom was a rental operation anyway.

I really wished that someone would have showed up with a Seat Leon. That way we could make it a complete VAG class. Anyone know where the Alfa's are? What about the Honda's? Subaru? Where's the Buick (that's a rebadged Opel Astra)? Hyundai? Kia? Peugeot?
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Actually it never explained why Freedom is not running. It was some PR fluff to make everyone feel warm and fuzzy inside along with confusing everyone. At least they were able to throw in the word "global" many times and that makes me feel good because I want to make sure Mazda understands they have a global commitment to motorsport. Also, I guess those brand new MX5's that run in TCA (which is literally an ST car) somehow needed some sort of extensive R&D program because all they would to of had to do is throw on a different brand of tire.

As of now, Mazda is throwing 100% of everything they got to Joest and thus, anything in Conti is done for. Plus, most of Freedom was a rental operation anyway.

I really wished that someone would have showed up with a Seat Leon. That way we could make it a complete VAG class. Anyone know where the Alfa's are? What about the Honda's? Subaru? Where's the Buick (that's a rebadged Opel Astra)? Hyundai? Kia? Peugeot?
I kind of figured Joest was sucking up every last dime. I wonder if that makes the Mazda DPI program the most expensive of the lot? (but that's a discussion for another thread )

You could probably re-body the GTI as a Leon if you really wanted to. The Hondas look great, but I'm pretty sure that's not a USA model so I doubt HPD was looking to sell any. TCR could be the NATCC v2.0! An entire field of cars (minus the Dodge) that had very little to do with anything sold in the states.
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Excellent race today, despite a bit of damage being done to some cars...
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