Toj Formula 2 car

[marcush.]

As a boy I was quite often in the Hockenheim pits and remember the Toj Formula 2 car that debuted there in the late1970s....anyone knows where it is now or what happened to it? I remember only it was Gold(Warsteiner livery)and who drove it then?

[dereklola]

This should give you a start -
- http://www.racecar-collection.com/index.jsp?F2.jsp -

There's an email address at the bottom of the web page.

[Neptune]

Sure looks like Modus M1-M4 uprights both front and rear, which is what I would have expected. Strange that the tub is different though as are the wishbones. I'd love to see some more "naked" chassis photos.

Thanks for the link Derek.

Roger

[Alan Raine]

It's still racing. One of John Turners pics from Silverstone is shown here:

http://tentenths.com/forum/showthread.php?t=83736

The Toj F2 and Sportscars always looked great in the Warsteiner Gold.

[marcush.]

thanks for the help.I thought the car looked different in Hockenheim back then.If I remember correctly it was not 1976 but a bit later ,maybe 1978 or
even 1979 and it definitively did not have the Ferrari style Frontwing but two sepaerate wings on the side of the nose,more like the F3 car of Toj.I´m pretty sure the car did not even race in Hockenheim back then.

[Frank de Jong]

I suppose you mean this one: http://www.gaffersports.com/motorspo...autos/5023.php

This is the 1977 car, not a beauty like the 1976 version... IIRC Rosberg was the intended driver.

[jkeller]

TOJ, (Team Obermoser Jorg) built two models of F2 cars, the F201 in 1976 and the F202 for 1977. The F201 has the raised wing, full width across the nose and the F202 had the two separate wings. Jorg Obermoser told me that there were 6 F201's built, four for customers and two for Keke Rosgerg who was their works driver for a year and a half.
His spare car was driven sometimes by Hans Heyer.
When Keke left in the beginning of 77 they built a complete new F2, the F202. Only 2 cars were built, one for Rolf Stommelen and one for Danny Sullivan, both where their works drivers but Danny had to stop after two races because he run out of money.
I know the whereabouts of three of the F201’s and both of the F202’s. The unfortunate thing about these cars is that the suspension components were common with some of the TOJ sports cars and while the F2 cars were not the most competitive, the sports cars were and the F2 cars were cannibalized for gearbox’s, uprights, brakes etc.
The two T202’s and one F201 now reside in western Canada, Bob Storz has both of the 202’s and I have the 201, chassis number 3. All three cars are in need of restoration and are missing parts but we are slowly finding the bits and pieces that we need to reconstruct and restore the cars. As you can imagine, finding original parts for these cars is a challenge

Jim Keller

[Neptune]

Jim,
I am not sure that all TOJs were designed and/or constructed by Modus during 1974-76 time period and probably by Argo for 1977, but there is much evidence to support the connection in F3 and FAtl.

I have been able to compare directly my Modus uprights with those used on TOJ SC205. They are identical, in fact the SC205 uprights still have the "Modus" cast into them and their Jo Marquart style numbers.

The photos in the links above provided by Dereklola show what is evidently an F201 and as I mentioned above, the very same cast uprights used by Modus models M1-M5.

Marcus Pye, in his chassis listings of Modus formula cars, mentions at least once that cars were robbed of there suspension components to build other specials, especially for hill climbers and sprinters.

I have a a pair of spare rear uprights for my Modus M1, but no spare fronts. From what I can see, both fronts and rears used one casting respectively and then they were machined to become handed. I have some sources who may be interested in making new castings if there might be sufficient interest, and that looks like the only way I'll ever find any spare fronts.

Roger

[Wolfgang]

Jörg Obermoser told me this days he finished his tools for the TOJ F2-1976. Beginning November he will be able to deliver the scale model! ( http://www.tojdrom.de/ ). He offer the "Warsteiner car" to

Wolfgang

[jkeller]

I have TOJ F201-3-76, originally sold to Gottlieb Bichteler in April 1976. (this is exactly how the name is spelled in the Wagenpass). Jorg Obermoser tells me that the car was the third F2 car that they built and that chassis 1 and 2 were built for Keke Rosberg. He said that the cars were definitely built in TOJ's workshop in Bruchsal, Germany, not in the UK by Modus or Argo.
The front uprights are dimensionally identical to Modus but have a TOJ logo cast into them rather than the Modus, the rears have Modus on them. From what I understand, all the TOJ sportscars and F2 cars use the same uprights and even a lot of the same suspension components. I have a friend with a SC206 and another with a couple of 3 litre cars; basically all the suspension bits interchange.
Obermoser was the GRD and Modus agent for Germany in the early 1970’s and there was a heavy connection between GRD, Modus and TOJ. Obviously TOJ was getting at least their uprights from Modus until the end of 1976 when Modus shut down. I assume that whoever cast the Modus uprights simply changed the logo and cast them for Obermoser.

Jim Keller

[Wolfgang]

http://www.racecar-collection.com show F201-2-76. If you wont to see more "naked" chassis photos, please told me what you wont to see and I will scan the pictures.

Wolfgang

[allenbrown]

Jim

Could you tell us where the Gottlieb Bichteler car raced? Was it primarily used in hill climbs?

Allen

[jkeller]

Allen, this is from Jorg Obermoser:
"I remember well of that car from Gottfried Bichteler, most of his races were hillclimbs, and he did not use it"

Entries in the logbook / Wagenpass:
Owners were Gottlieb Bichteler, Albert Franz, Horst Dick and Rolf Koppel.
The only entries for Bichteler are Ulm-Mengen 1976 and Jim-Clark-Rennen at Hockenheim in 1977.
I assume that either, these were the only times he used the car, or any other events were minor hillclimbs and the Wagenpass wasn't stamped????
Entries continue until 1988 when, as I understand things, the engine, gearbox and some other parts were removed from the car and found their way onto a TOJ sports car.

Jim Keller

[Wolfgang]

Keke Rosberg drove 10 races in 1976 for Jörg Obermoser with the TOJ F201. In January 1977 he drove the Chevron/Hart in the Serie Formula Pacific-Tasman-Stuyvesant and win. Than he race the Chevron F2 11 times and the Chevron F Atlanta 8 times. His last race in 1977 was Suzuka with a Renault F2. He don't drove a TOJ in 1977.
Wolfgang

[Dan Rear]

Originally Posted by allenbrown

Jim

Could you tell us where the Gottlieb Bichteler car raced? Was it primarily used in hill climbs?

Allen

Gerd Biechtelier's mate, Klaus Walz, turned up at the July Mallory Aurora race in 1978 with a TOJ, I presume this one.

[allenbrown]

I was wondering about the connection between Gottlieb Bichteler and Gerd Biechtelier.

[Dan Rear]

Sorry chaps, I was mistaken, it was that speed-merchant Eugen Grupp who had the Biechtelier TOJ, not the infamous Mr Walz.

[allenbrown]

I have Grupp's car as F202 [F202-0177], not a F201 at that Mallory race.

Allen