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13 May 2004, 01:08 (Ref:969350)
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Is Webber deliberately hurting Jags?
News sources confirming that Webber is a Jaguar driver for 2005 (as per his contract) EXCEPT in one condition:
Jaguar is #6 or below in the constructor's table by the mid season (british GP). This means that Williams wait till the british GP and the position of Jags then decide whether Webber comes to Williams. If jag is at 6th or below Webber WILL join williams... Question is what will Webber do now? Is he 100% these days?? My view is that he is taking things as they come and is on the limit. He is 100%. Just that Jags are slow as usual. Last edited by freud; 13 May 2004 at 01:12. |
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13 May 2004, 01:12 (Ref:969353)
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Can we have a link to the 'news sources'?
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13 May 2004, 02:32 (Ref:969380)
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Well ask yourself this...is there any way the Jag is going to overtake Ferrari, Williams, BAR, Renault, or McLaren (even with their poor season thus far)? Not a chance in hell! They have a tough enough time keeping up with the Sauber's and Toyota's.
I think Webber is a stand-up guy and would get the results if he had the car to do it. I'm sure he'll be at Williams next year. Last edited by TeddyG; 13 May 2004 at 02:34. |
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Doesn't it seem sad that drivers like Fisichella, Coultard, Barrichello, and Ralf all have secure seats in F1, despite having had race winning cars for many more seasons than Jacques, yet failing to chalk up as many wins as he (let alone a WDC) that it is Jacques who doesn't have a drive in F1??? Sad indeed.
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13 May 2004, 02:55 (Ref:969392)
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I have in my briefcase the names of 150 Communists who work the the State Department...
Sorry, just couldn't resist the urge to add more to the "unsubstantiated rumor" fire. I can take or leave Webber, but no way could I accept that he would even consider sandbagging his way out of the contract. He is a competitor, that one, start to finish. |
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13 May 2004, 03:08 (Ref:969397)
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13 May 2004, 03:21 (Ref:969402)
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I thought that 'lower than 6th' clause was for Jenson Button, not Mark Webber.
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13 May 2004, 04:13 (Ref:969428)
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Its amazes me that this is even suggested.
Just to clear up another error in your so called news artical.Webbers contract is with Falvio/Renault.Jag have Webber through a contract with Falvio not Webber himself.If Webber wanted he could sack Falvio and move on himself.As for him contracted until end of 05 yhats not the case.It is an option that can be invoked by Jag in August but both parties have to agree to it.Skam85 the 6th or lower clause is pretty much standard for a top line driver. frued to assist you in taking your foot from your mouth please be aware of the following that you obviously don't know.The last two races Webber has suffered a clutch problem at the start.It is the same problem he had in Sepang.His grid possition was 2nd there.Is that sand bagging.No just Fords failure to put any money behind the team so they can get some people to fix this problem. You would think that as a race team they would have gotten it right by now( 3 races later) The Grumpy1 |
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13 May 2004, 08:01 (Ref:969527)
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No.
For once (or is that as normal) things are just how they seem. IMHO. 
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13 May 2004, 10:44 (Ref:969661)
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Webber always has been & always will be the ultimate racer & always wants the best result possible for both himself & his team. I think the suggestion that he wouldn't be giving 100% is ludicrous & i think the problem lies with the car that Jaguar are giving him.
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13 May 2004, 10:55 (Ref:969665)
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With the level of telemetry these day's they would probably be able to tell if he was even thinking about sandbagging! I don't think he would, as has already been said, he doesn't need to.
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13 May 2004, 11:12 (Ref:969680)
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freud, I envy your imagination, my friend!
 Jaguar are progressing nicely ta very much and I'm sure Mark is doing his best to get the best out of the car. After all, that's the traditional way of attracting an offer with a bigger team. D'you think Sir Frank (or anyone else) would consider offering a contract to someone if they thought they were capable of sabotaging their team's results?  By the way, I can't find 'BBC.COM' anywhere - did you mean http://news.bbc.co.uk ? Though I can't find your 'quote' there either... Last edited by garcon; 13 May 2004 at 11:13. |
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13 May 2004, 11:20 (Ref:969689)
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Ah, ok, your quote's in the link you gave. That was easy.
 But in context, there is no way the article is suggesting anything underhand from Webber, just a summary of his position. Which is kinda what you said in your fiorst post... Er, I'll get me coat...
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13 May 2004, 13:11 (Ref:969804)
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rubbish Mark is a sportsman & ethical first and for most . Mark F1 future is set . Underhanded tatic are not required
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13 May 2004, 14:14 (Ref:969895)
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mark is the real deal and does his best each race
 - jag aint upto marks work ethic - ford you are a disgrace......
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13 May 2004, 17:23 (Ref:970063)
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Again, Imho Webber is 100%..the guy's on limit all the time and as we have seen in Malaysia, no one protects his position as hard as he does.
Fact of the matter is that he cannot leave Jaguar unless the team is 6 or below in the constructor's standing by British GP. I dont know what's going inside Mark's mind but if I were him, I would be liking the grass more than the tarmac 
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13 May 2004, 17:30 (Ref:970068)
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Like I said before there is no reason for Mark not to give his all. Even getting 100% out of the Jag there is still no way they will overtake Ferrari, Williams, Renault, BAR or McLaren and thus can't be anything but 6th or below! He has no reason to act shady.
In fact I'd be surprised if Jag even take 6th ahead of Sauber or Toyota. They will most likely end up 7th (their current position) I bet. Last edited by TeddyG; 13 May 2004 at 17:33. |
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Doesn't it seem sad that drivers like Fisichella, Coultard, Barrichello, and Ralf all have secure seats in F1, despite having had race winning cars for many more seasons than Jacques, yet failing to chalk up as many wins as he (let alone a WDC) that it is Jacques who doesn't have a drive in F1??? Sad indeed.
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13 May 2004, 20:20 (Ref:970235)
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As an after tought.Anyone who flips a car a 300+klms/hr and walks away has to have some balls.To do it again the next day in the spare car suggests Mr Webber is in no way sandbagging.This suggests that the guy gets the red mist up every time he gets behind the wheel.After speeking to him at the AGP I came to the conclusion that when behind the wheel he has 2 speeds Flat out and stop.
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13 May 2004, 20:59 (Ref:970269)
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Shows how much you know about Mr Webbers race history.
 It was at the rise on the Mulsan Straight at Lemans. Even though Mercedes with drew the cars his times where good enough for a top 3 start at the time. The Grumpy1
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13 May 2004, 23:37 (Ref:970413)
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Webber not give 100%.......RUBBISH.
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13 May 2004, 23:55 (Ref:970422)
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Jordi the referance to him haveing balls is the fact the next day he got into the same type of car and went faster until it happened again
Thanks also for the spelling correction I'm having one of thoose days.  The Grumpy1
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Webber's first flip was on the way down to Indianapols and the second was on the Mulsanne hump - it wasn't a spare car, Merc repaired(!?) it after the first flip. He had qualified 8th I think - the Merc never had the pace of the others on the Wednesday and Webber missed the chance on Thursday night when Schneider did a screamer for fourth.
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Grumpy, old mate, I have to tell you that the To and Froms just don't get it.....
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