2023 Season

[crmalcolm]

24 races on the calendar:

https://www.fia.com/news/2023-fia-fo...-approved-wmsc

[S griffin]

I notice they have Brazil rather than Sao Paolo. Is that deliberate?

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by S griffin

I notice they have Brazil rather than Sao Paolo. Is that deliberate?

I think so - they did the same for the 2022 season. Only Emilia Romagna and Imola are not shown by the FIA as host country for 2022.

The current schedule has the race listed as 'Brazil 2022' with the full race name listed as 'FORMULA 1 HEINEKEN GRANDE PRÊMIO DE SÃO PAULO 2022'

And just for further reference from 2020 - 'Formula 1 have announced that Sao Paulo will continue to be home to the Brazilian Grand Prix until 2025.

The Brazilian GP will officially be named the Formula 1 Grande Prêmio de São Paulo and will continue to be held at the famous Interlagos Circuit, with next year's race taking place on November 14, 2021.'

Interesting spot though - I guess technically the Mexico GP could also be listed as the Mexico City Grand Prix?

[PhilipR]

is 24 too many?

It dilutes the value of a grand prix, and if a team is dominant it can become quite tedious and fans lose interest - not too mention fatigue when too much of one thing is given to you.

But then again we get more races per year, and seeing how F1 is selling out almost all tracks is a monetary gain for Liberty

However all this ecological talk and the travel makes no sense from this point of view.
Also I wonder if some planning is based on the 2021 season where we had a championship fight till the end meaning each race was an event - and interest was high till the final race. However more often than not championships battle end up before the final race - and it might become quite dull to have a champion crowned 5-6 races before the end of the season.

[Hawkwood]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

I think so - they did the same for the 2022 season. Only Emilia Romagna and Imola are not shown by the FIA as host country for 2022.

The current schedule has the race listed as 'Brazil 2022' with the full race name listed as 'FORMULA 1 HEINEKEN GRANDE PRÊMIO DE SÃO PAULO 2022'

And just for further reference from 2020 - 'Formula 1 have announced that Sao Paulo will continue to be home to the Brazilian Grand Prix until 2025.

The Brazilian GP will officially be named the Formula 1 Grande Prêmio de São Paulo and will continue to be held at the famous Interlagos Circuit, with next year's race taking place on November 14, 2021.'

Interesting spot though - I guess technically the Mexico GP could also be listed as the Mexico City Grand Prix?

The 2022 is the Sao Paulo GP, as per its full race name - I believe this is because it's the Sao Paulo state government that's footing the bill, rather than the federal government?
(However, that link is weird, as the race is referred to twice as 'Brazil 2022/Brazilian Grand Prix', and twice as the 'Sao Paulo Grand Prix' - rather odd)


Same with the Mexico City GP name, rather than it being called the Mexican GP - shows who's funding it?

[Teretonga]

Originally Posted by Hawkwood

The 2022 is the Sao Paulo GP, as per its full race name - I believe this is because it's the Sao Paulo state government that's footing the bill, rather than the federal government?
(However, that link is weird, as the race is referred to twice as 'Brazil 2022/Brazilian Grand Prix', and twice as the 'Sao Paulo Grand Prix' - rather odd)


Same with the Mexico City GP name, rather than it being called the Mexican GP - shows who's funding it?

I had always considered that the move to have the Brazil race move back to Rio was the reason it was named the Sao Paulo GP, especially after the FIA gave them a contract till 2025.
Civil pride, regional antagonism, and all that.

[Alan52]

So only France gets the chop.
Will they replace China when it is almost certainly cancelled?You would think they would go back to 23 but it puts a 4 week gap in the calendar.
Qatar in October?Very hot.Too hot but not if you’re in an air conditioned suite.
Edit-Average daily maximum for Doha in October is 35 and average minimum is 24.Given that the race is early in the month and it cools off a lot towards the end of the month race week temperatures are likely to be well north of those averages.
That is getting close to dangerous.The only time to have a race there is either between Las Vegas and Abu Dhabi or back at the start of the season.

[Adam43]

Originally Posted by PhilipR

is 24 too many?

Yes.

Although when I first read this I read it as “24 too many”! Which I thought was a little harsh.

[chavez]

Originally Posted by PhilipR

is 24 too many?

It dilutes the value of a grand prix, and if a team is dominant it can become quite tedious and fans lose interest - not too mention fatigue when too much of one thing is given to you.

But then again we get more races per year, and seeing how F1 is selling out almost all tracks is a monetary gain for Liberty

However all this ecological talk and the travel makes no sense from this point of view.
Also I wonder if some planning is based on the 2021 season where we had a championship fight till the end meaning each race was an event - and interest was high till the final race. However more often than not championships battle end up before the final race - and it might become quite dull to have a champion crowned 5-6 races before the end of the season.

The Chase for the Formula One World Championship.......surely only a matter of time.

[chunterer]

That could make prime time on ITV with Bradley Walsh hosting!

[crmalcolm]

Just an observation (if 24 is considered too many) - how many F1 races were held in 1950?

[ChrisA]

Originally Posted by crmalcolm

Just an observation (if 24 is considered too many) - how many F1 races were held in 1950?

Wasn't it about 8/9 races?

[S griffin]

6 plus the Indy 500. But then there were many non championship races too.

[crmalcolm]

Originally Posted by ChrisA

Wasn't it about 8/9 races?

The 1950 Formula One season featured the inaugural FIA World Championship of Drivers.

The full season consisted of 24 races. The Championship consisted of six Grand Prix races, each held in Europe and open to Formula One cars, plus the Indianapolis 500, which was run to AAA National Championship regulations.

It's just an observation that there were sometimes as many GPs around that time as we have today. 1949 had 27 Grand Prix races for example.

I just thought it interesting amongst the opinion that 24 races 'dilutes the value of the GP'.

[Derwent]

It's all about greed. There are six races which should not appear due to human rights issues, plus those in the USA. It's seems any tinpot dictatorship can buy a F1 race as part of a campaign to be "legitimate".
There is also the environmental aspect of transporting the whole circus around the world. Will drivers and team members want to do all those events? At the moment the TV companies are rotating their pundits etc.
Will drivers retire earlier in order to have a family life (eg Rosberg & Vettel)